GimmeDat's 2019 B.B.

[GimmeDat]

1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Ja Morant
4. Jarrett Culver
5. Deandre Hunter
6. Darius Garland
8. Bol Bol
9. Romeo Langford
10. Jaxson Hayes
11 Cam Reddish
12. Jontay Porter
13. Kevin Porter Jr.
14. Mfiondu Kabengele
15. Coby White
16. Brandon Clarke
17. Keldon Johnson
18. Talen Horton-Tucker
19. Nassir Little
20. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
21. Goga Bidagze
22. Sekou Doumbouya
23. Bruno Fernando
24. PJ Washington
25. Grant Williams
26. Rui Hachimura
27. Daniel Gafford
28. Tyler Herro
29. Kezie Okpala
30. Tyrese Haliburton


31. Jalen Pickett
32. Matisse Thybulle
33. Jalen McDaniels
34. Tre Jones
35. Jordan Poole
36. Shamorie Ponds
37. Killian Tillie
39. Isaiah Roby
40. Charles Bassey
41. Lugentz Dort
42. Louis King
43. Iggy Brazdeikis
44. Carsen Edwards
45. Deividas Sirvydis
46. Darius Bazley
47. Jalen Smith
48. Quinten Grimes
49. Naz Reid
50. Cam Johnson
51. Jalen Leque
52. Ty Jerome
53. Luka Samanic
53. Eric Paschall
54. Kris Wilkes
56. Admiral Schofield
57. Jaylen Hoard
58. Sagaba Konate
59. Dylan Windler
60. Dedrick Lawson

Had to shake up a few things here, Culver, Kab, White, Clarke, Thybulle, Herro are notable ups, Reddish, Johnson, Little, NAW, Tre most notable drops.

Still waiting on Grimes to show more to move him up (he obviously has the potential to rise given he started at 10 on my preseason board)

[clyde21]

looks good

disagree on some stuff (think Herro/Dort/Grimes still too low), but no major qualms.

and say what u will about the top of this draft, it's actually a quite deep crop.

[GimmeDat]

Just realized Okeke isn't on there. He's a 30's guy for me.

[GimmeDat]

1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. Jarrett Culver
5. Deandre Hunter
6. Darius Garland
7. Bol Bol
8. Romeo Langford
9. Jaxson Hayes
10. Brandon Clarke
11. Kevin Porter Jr.
12. Goga Bidagze
13. Cam Reddish
14. Coby White
15. PJ Washington
16. Nassir Little
17. Mfiondu Kabengele
18. Keldon Johnson
19. Talen Horton-Tucker
20. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
21. Sekou Doumbouya
22. Bruno Fernando
23. Grant Williams
24. Rui Hachimura
25. Daniel Gafford
26. Tyler Herro
27. Matisse Thybulle
28. Kezie Okpala
29. Chume Okeke
30. Tre Jones

31. Jalen Pickett
32. Lugentz Dort
33. Killian Tillie
34. Tyrese Haliburton
35. Iggy Brazdeikis
35. Jordan Poole
36. Shamorie Ponds
37. Jalen Smith
38. Isaiah Roby
39. Charles Bassey
40. Ty Jerome
41. Jalen McDaniels
42. Cam Johnson
43. Quinten Grimes
44. Louis King
45. Carsen Edwards
46. Naz Reid
47. Deividas Sirvydis
48. Darius Bazley
49. Jontay Porter
50. Jalen Leque
51. Luka Samanic
52. Xavier Johnson
53. Eric Paschall
54. Dylan Windler
55. Admiral Schofield
56. Kris Wilkes
57. Allen Smailiagic
58. Sagaba Konate
59. Zach Norvell Jr.
60. Dedrick Lawson

Still a bit of a rough list, not necessarily indicative of in's/out's, 2nd round also lacking a few names (Claxton, Queta, Zoosman, Matthews, Agbaji some notable names) I haven't seen enough of yet, but I gave it a sahke up to more accurately reflect how I feel about the prospects in that range.

Moved Morant up to 2 over RJ, could've moved Culver to 3 as well but that's too on the fence for me right now. And from there, the rest of that lottery, and to a large extent that 1st round, becomes a complete crapshoot imo.

[clyde21]

same top 7 as me just slightly different order

[GimmeDat]

This is going to be a bit of a rough list, just came back from 2 weeks + of holiday, so I haven't thought/watched/read about these guys for a while, so maybe this is a bit off, but just my instinctive changes having a fresh look at it all. Probably not up to date on the in's and out's, but my understanding is Tre and Jalen Smith are going back so they're out.

1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. Jarrett Culver
5. Deandre Hunter
6. Darius Garland
7. Bol Bol
8. Coby White
9. Kevin Porter Jr.
10. Romeo Langford
11. Goga Bidagze
12. Jaxson Hayes
13. Brandon Clarke
14. Cam Reddish
15. PJ Washington
16. Sekou Doumbouya
17. Nassir Little
18. Talen Horton-Tucker
19. Killian Tillie
20. Nickiel Alexander-Walker
21. Keldon Johnson
22. Mfiondu Kabengele
23. Bruno Fernando
24. Tyler Herro
25. Grant Williams
26. Rui Hachimura
27. Daniel Gafford
28. Matisse Thybulle
29. Kezie Okpala
30. Ty Jerome

31. Chume Okeke
32. Lugentz Dort
32. Nic Claxton
31. Jalen Pickett
34. Tyrese Haliburton
35. Quinten Grimes
36. Iggy Brazdeikis
37. Shamorie Ponds
38. Isaiah Roby
39. Charles Bassey
40. Jalen McDaniels
41. Cam Johnson
44. Louis King
45. Jordan Poole
46. Naz Reid
47. Deividas Sirvydis
48. Darius Bazley
49. Jontay Porter
50. Neemias Queta
51. Jalen Leque
52. Luka Samanic
53. Xavier Johnson
54. Eric Paschall
55. Carsen Edwards
56. Dylan Windler
57. Simi Sh*ttu
58. Admiral Schofield
59. Ochai Agbaji
60. Sagaba Konate

[PerkinsFor3]

Thoughts on William McDowell-White?

[Stillwater]

I think if he stays in Keldon Johnson could go higher than most mocks are projecting him,based on his transition game alone

[clyde21]

I think if he stays in Keldon Johnson could go higher than most mocks are projecting him,based on his transition game alone

i feel like a lot of scouts/execs are higher on Keldon than a lot of people here, including where I have him myself. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a lotto pick tbh.

btw, he (and Herro) confirmed that he's staying in the draft after what he heard from the advisory committee.

[GimmeDat]

I like Keldon, and I do think he could go higher than this, wouldn't be surprised to see lottery. Him dropping to 21 on my latest board had less to do with him than it had to do with the other movers, imo. He's a solid well-rounded prospect.

Thoughts on William McDowell-White?

I honestly haven't seen a lot of him. From what I have, I like him, but I find it kind of hard to evaluate his NBA translation compared to some of these NCAA guys. Obviously him barely playing for the last year doesn't help that. He's got good size for a PG, and supposedly a very good feel (makes guys around him better). I have seen some criticisms of his shooting ability in the past, but I think his projection is pretty positive based on the footage I've watched.

I think the big question will be how physically limited he'll be in the NBA. It was before my time, but is father was supposed to be a high level athlete in the Aus. Football league, and I find him to be relatively quick with solid size (frame wise). He only has a 6'5 wingspan though, and isn't an elite athlete or anything, so I wonder whether he'll be a little bit physically minimized on offense and his impact will be minimized defensively due to his physical limitations.

But there is some good stats in his favor - 2.8 A/TO ratio, 10.2% total rebound %, and a 3.4% steal rate (found off a YT scouting video in 2018 I just watched), are encouraging.

There's definitely an upside sell of him as a big, 2 way PG who can play on or off the ball and make smart decisions. He's a well rounded, high IQ player.

It's pretty unreasonable comparison to make, but as an Aussie, I think to compare him to Dellevadova and what similarities/differences there are. I think WMW is a better athlete, and slightly bigger, I think he's a bit more dynamic as a shooter/handler, I would say a better rebounder.. but Delly is a much more proven shooting threat (if only a spot up guy) with a career 38% mark, he's also a good feel guy (though passing is limited by lack of creation skills/on-ball scoring threat), and of course Delly, in the times he's proven most valuable in his NBA career, has been an impact defensive pest and monster hustle/intangible guy.

What I would be concerned about is that WMW hasn't really had the opportunity for us to see him produce against good competition. He's not a proven, productive prospect, and without top end physical tools to objectively identify, makes him a bit scary to translate, for me at least.

So right now, he's out of my top 60, but I definitely think he is draftable. It sounds like some teams like him and I could see him being picked up. But as far as 2nd round PG's go, I think I would lean towards guys like Pickett, X.Johnson, Ponds, Edwards, Haliburton, etc. over him.

There's 4 Australians in this draft now - Kouat Noi (well, he's opted to pursue pro ball over TCU, I'm not sure if that means he's 'declared' per se, and my understanding is he's signing in the Aus. NBL for the upcoming season, but I think he's as good a prospect as any of the group I'm listing right now), William McDowell-White, Matur Maker, and Harry Froling. My opinion is that they're all unlikely to be picked, but should all be in legitimate consideration for selection in the 2nd half of 2nd round. Australia's had a good track record of fringe guys cracking the league and overachieving lately as well, so they definitely deserve a chance in the league.

[PerkinsFor3]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Gimme. Highly valued.

I liked the footage I saw from WMW, he somewhat reminds me of Satoransky as well.

[Capn'O]

BTW, we fixed it so you can say Shittu

[Stillwater]

BTW, we fixed it so you can say Shittu

For those that give a shittu?

[GimmeDat]

BTW, we fixed it so you can say Shittu

Ha! Good to know, thanks.

[Sactowndog]

Where does Zagars fit in. Kid is now 6’ 3”

[GimmeDat]

Where does Zagars fit in. Kid is now 6’ 3”

Early feel I think, given he's been out for a while and everything, is late 30's or so. I like him.

[Coeur]

Where does Zagars fit in. Kid is now 6’ 3”

He’s Darius garland except a euro. Everyone is scared to try that.

Except Danny Ainge. He sees himself and drafts him late teens

[GimmeDat]

Where does Zagars fit in. Kid is now 6’ 3”

He’s Darius garland except a euro. Everyone is scared to try that.

Except Danny Ainge. He sees himself and drafts him late teens

If you're low on Garland and high on Zagars I can get the comparison as both mid-1st guys. I don't *like* Garland as high as I've put him, that range just sucks, I do think he's a bit overrated.

But in comparison to Zagars, I think Garland is a more dynamic shot-maker/creator. Zagars can shoot, but I see him as a more pure point with a more balanced offensive game.

[GimmeDat]

Moved White up, Doumbouya up (I get the 'project/2nd contract' argument but I've come full circle and I'm pretty high on his long term potential right now), Herro up, Keldon down a little (still think he'll be solid), swapped Zagars in for Pickett because I'm assuming he goes back, Ponds down a little, than some other small additions like Nwora, Hoard, Toppin (like him), etc.

I feel like McDowell-White and Obiesie should probably crack the top 60 somewhere but I don't see over who right now. I'm sure someone will like them over the more 'suck at the moment but some theoretical upside' guys like Shittu, Hoard, etc. guys. Also Samanic probably deserves to be higher in the 2nd I think but I'm going to leave him there for now. I think Brian Bowen deserves a look in as well, Obiesie too, and Kouat Noi.

1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
4. Jarrett Culver
5. Deandre Hunter
6. Coby White
7. Darius Garland
8. Sekou Doumbouya
9. Romeo Langford
10. Bol Bol
11. Kevin Porter Jr.
12. Goga Bidagze
13. Jaxson Hayes
14. Brandon Clarke
15. Cam Reddish
16. PJ Washington
17. Tyler Herro
18. Nassir Little
19. Talen Horton-Tucker
20. Killian Tillie
21. Nickiel Alexander-Walker
22. Mfiondu Kabengele
23. Bruno Fernando
24. Keldon Johnson
25. Grant Williams
26. Rui Hachimura
27. Daniel Gafford
28. Matisse Thybulle
29. Kezie Okpala
30. Ty Jerome

31. Chume Okeke
32. Lugentz Dort
33. Nic Claxton
34. Arturs Zagars
35. Quinten Grimes
36. Iggy Brazdeikis
37. Isaiah Roby
38. Charles Bassey
39. Jalen McDaniels
40. Cam Johnson
41. Louis King
42. Shamorie Ponds
43. Jordan Poole
44. Naz Reid
45. Deividas Sirvydis
46. Darius Bazley
47. Jontay Porter
48. Neemias Queta
49. Obi Toppin
50. Jalen Leque
51. Luka Samanic
52. Jordan Nwora
53. Jaylen Hoard
54. Eric Paschall
55. Carsen Edwards
56. Dylan Windler
57. Simi Sh*ttu
58. Admiral Schofield
59. Ochai Agbaji
60. Sagaba Konate

[clyde21]

welcome to the sekou side my friend