Roddy B for 3's 2020 big board

[Roddy B for 3]

10-05-2019 (only returning NCAA players)

1. Charles Bassey
2. Tre Jones
3. Jordan Nwora
4. Tyrese Haliburton

5. Isaiah Joe
6. Neemias Queta
7. Killian Tillie
8. Ayo Dosunmu

9. Devon Dotson
10. Jalen Smith

These are the players from Tanathon's big board.

[King Ken]

No ayo dosunmu?

[Roddy B for 3]

No ayo dosunmu?

I had him at 8, but wrote the wrong name.

[Roddy B for 3]

10-10-2019
My incoming freshmen + Ball and Hampton big board right now is:

1. Anthony Edwards
2. LaMelo Ball
3. Cole Anthony
4. Vernon Carey
5. Jaden McDaniels
6. James Wiseman
7. Scottie Lewis
8. Nicco Mannion
9. RJ Hampton

[Roddy B for 3]

My top 8 for today and until the next update:

Wiseman
Edwards
Anthony
Isiah Stewart
Ball
Jones
Bassey
Lewis

I didn't realize how big Wiseman is until recently.
He was my pick to be #1 overall before I studied the other top incoming freshmen. Then I was down on him because I thought he was another Nerlens Noel.
After watching the McDonald's all-american game, I realized he is built very differently from Nerlens. And I moved him up the big board accordingly.

I think this draft will end up being closer to 2018 at the top than 2017.

I think Wiseman/Edwards/Anthony will be the (near) universal "big three" all year.

[Roddy B for 3]

Maxey-modern CP3 Highschool numbers, extremely excited we could have a Stockton/Kidd/Nash/Paul heir
Anthony-Derron Williams (maybe a better passing Gilbert Arenas)
Wiseman- Gobert/Drummond/Webber (obviously very optimistic)
Edwards-Oladipo (obviously very optimistic)
Precious-Old Grant Hill on the Suns (good speed, great fundamentals, greally good three point shooter, volume and percentage)
Stewart-bigger Montrez Harrell (good bully ball player, good speed, B+ starting 5)
Lewis-Trevor Ariza (3D SF, long arms, probably a steals per game monster)
Carey-Aaron Baynes (great size, let's see on the three ball, good fast break player)
Jones-Derrick Fisher (let's see if he can run an efficient fastbreak without Zion/RJ/Can)
Avdija- top international prospect (let's see)
Bassey-Hopefully Bam Adebyo (needs to get bigger and stronger)
Whitney-Corey Maggetie (we will see)
McDaniels- athleticism/frame (This Thomas?)

The talent level in NBA is getting more and more each year.

[Roddy B for 3]

I watch vs few high school games so I've been judging by stats, measurables, what others are saying, the McDonald's all American game, and a few YouTube videos.

The stats I saw on Maxey last night were wrong and the video o saw of him today did not have me walking away thinking CP3, more Terry Rozier.

My rankings will change often and I update them when I'm bored so:
Edwards: He's got thelat pop off the screen, moving faster than everyone else speed
Wiseman: He already has an NBA body and has an insanely quick ability to context shots he dosent seem close enough to because he jumps so far, has a great wingspan and jumps with power
Cole Anthony: he reminds me of Gil wet Arenas. But he makes fundamental errors to frequently to be an All-star. I assume that will come with time because he is so skilled he obviously works hard on his game
Dropoff
Lewis
Whitney
Precious
Stewart
Bassey
Jones
Carey
Maxey
Avidja
McDaniels

[Roddy B for 3]

Cole Anthony-Gilbert Arenas
James Wiseman-AD defense+???offense
Edwards

Stewart
Jones
Lewis
Bassey
Maxey
Precious
Carey Jr.
McDaniels

[Roddy B for 3]

Top 25, & then others to watch:
Wiseman-C-likley allstar
Edwards-SG-likley allstar
Anthony-PG potential allstar
Ball-PG100% NBA rotation player(1-10) 10-20% all-star chance
Haliburton-PG-100% NBA rotation player(1-10)
Stewart-C-100% NBA rotation player(1-10)
Hampton-PG-15%potetial top 3 player on a very good team, 40%#4-9 on a very good team, 25% chance of Exum2.0 or he goes to a different league
Okongwu-PF-I need to scout him more
Bey-PF-hustle #'s + size+ 3pt%
Toppin-PF-hustle #'s + size+ 3pt%
Nwora-SG-high impact rebounder+shooter+defender potential
Jones-PG-20% long-term starter, 80% long-term 8th-12th man
Green-SG-I need to scout him more
Joe-SG-longterm 9-12th man
Maxey-PG-10% chance of longtime starter, 40% chance at long term backup, 30% chance at long term 3rd string, 20% goes to a different league before his 8th year
Carey-C-Obviously NBA size, I see a 10 year career 30% starter 70% backup or 3rd string of on a really C heavy team (example current Nets)
Howard-PG-obvious 3rd stringPG 3pt volume spark plugs off the bench
Lewis-SG+excellent potential, seems like a hard worker + no college production yet
Bassey-C-very young and already good enough to be a 3rd or 4th string NBA C today. Great size+athleticism+some skills
Stanley-SG-potential to be a smaller Wesley Matthews
Hurt-SF-5th forward threepoint specialist
Achiuwa-SF-really young and excellent size&athleticism
Smith-PF-great hustle #'s, 3% + size
Reed-PF-great hustle#'s +3% + size
Tillie-PF-Current Ryan Anderson maybe?

Others to be ranked later:
Maledon-PG-IDK internationals yet
Lawson-SG-havent studies
Antonie-SG-havent studied
Avdija-SF-IDK internationals yet
McDaniels-SF-good athleticism, meh numbers, eh height+weight+wingspan
Sylla-SF-IDK internationals yet
Queta-C-good numbers, great size
Hayes-SG-IDK internationals yet
Dotson-PG-great ppg &2pt%, good school so I have faith the 3 will come with time
Powell-PG-promising 3pt%+fg%+ppg

[Roddy B for 3]

New tentative big board, in order, and in tier:
Tier 1:
Wiseman
Edwards
Tier 2:
Anthony, Ball
Tier 3:
Okongwu, Haliburton, Hampton
Tier 4:
Toppin, Stewart, Mannion, Lewis, Hayes, Smith, Reed, Jones, Nwora, Joe, Haggins, McDaniels, Bey, Avdija, Simanic, Hughes, Green, Howard, Wesson, Tinkle, Nnaji, Teske, Nessmith, Carey Jr., Winston, Grimes
Tier 4:
Precious, Stanley, Maledon, Hurt, Maxi, Watford, Azubuke, Ayayi
Tier 5:
Mclemore, Lawson, Okoro, Tillie, Agbajar, Pritchard, Powell, Queta, Bassey, Dotson, Makur

[Roddy B for 3]

1-8 = sure starter
9-14 = "6th man" type
15-23 = regular rotation player
24-33= specialist
34+ means I don't see an long-term NBA future

1-33, as of now:

Wiseman
Anthony
Edwards
Haliburton
Nessmith
Jones
Nwora
Smith
Okongwu
Vassell
Hayes
Toppin
Ball
Avdija
Lewis
Joe
Reed
T. Bey
Carey Jr
McDaniels
Stewart
Hampton
Haggins
Green
Okoro
Perry
Maxey
Maledon
Winston
Precious
Siminiac
Marcus Howard
Tillman

[Roddy B for 3]

Tier 1. The building blocks
1. Edwards
2. Wiseman
Tier 2. Long-term starters
3. Hayes
4. Anthony
5. Smith
6. Reed
Tier 3. Potential long-term starters
7. Okoro
8. Haliburton
9. Okongwu
10. Toppin
11. Ball
12. S. Bey
Tier 4. Potential starters/high level role players
13. Nwora
14. T. Bey
15. Vassell
16. Joe
Tier 5. 9-12th men
17. Lewis
18. Jones
19. Avdija
20. Carey Jr
Tier 6. Potential role players
21. Mannion
22. Green
23. Hampton
24. Stewart
25. Nessmith
Tier 7. Fringe role players
26. Winston
27. Aleksej Pokusevski
28. Maledon
29. Perry
30. Haggins
31. Marcus Howard
Tier 8. Potential fringe role players
32. Tillman
33. Ramsey
34. McDaniels
35. Maxey
Tier 9. I don't see an NBA future
39. Borisa Siminiac
40. Precious

About 70 more guys to look at and then review these guys in more depth.

1-8 I have as "sure things"
9-15 I have as "6th man ish"
16-22 I have as "role players"
23-31 I have as "specialists"
31+ I have as "draft on potential"

[Roddy B for 3]

Solid starter or better teir
-The top 9 are players who I expect to be able to be big time minute eaters on really good teams(25+mpg on teams with title hopes types).
6th man tier
-10-17 are players I have rated as secondary level guys on really good teams (10-25mpg types on title hopeful types)
Solid role player tier
-18-23 are guys who might get DNP'd in playoff games but still contribute well in the role an intelligent coach would have them at. But if the player types of 10-17 get hurt, your not embarrassed to have this group step up.
Situational tier
-24-29 are mostly third stringers/completely situational guys. IE; your in a bad spot if these guys are eating big minutes in playoff games.
Potential tier
-30-37 are guys who have shown to have NBA skills or talents in one form or another and need to work other things out to be worth keeping long-term on a roster.
Not scouted tier
37+
...................................................................................
These are the players I've scouted so far, that I'm ok with publicly ranking.

Wiseman
Anthony
Edwards
Toppin
Okongwu
Haliburton
T. Bey
Hayes
Lewis
Okoro
Smith
Reed
Ball
Nwora
Hampton
Avdija
Ramsey
S. Bey
Vassell
Jones
Joe
Carey Jr
Green
Nessmith
Perry
Stewart
Winston
Mannion
Howard
Maledon
Pokusevski
Tillman
McDaniels
Haggins
Maxey
Siminiac
Precious
...................................................
My final thought on this list is I think I'm underrated the players from S.Bey to Joe.
I expect them to move up on the next list.

[Roddy B for 3]

Tier 1. The building blocks
1. Wiseman
2. Toppin
Tier 2. Long-term starters
3. Hayes
4. Haliburton
5. Anthony
6. Okoro
7. Vassell
Tier 3. Potential long-term starters
8. Okongwu
9. Ball
10. T. Bey
11. Edwards
12. Avdija
13. Smith
14. Reed
Tier 4. Potential starters/high level role players
15. Maxey
16. McDaniels
17. Rammsey
18. Nessmith
19. Jones
Tier 5. 9-12th men
20. Winston
21. Stewart
22. Green
23. Quickly
Tier 6. Potential role players
24. Haggins
25. Precious
26. Howard
27. Carey Jr.
Tier 7. Fringe role players
28. S. Bey
29. Hampton
30. Nowra
31. Mannion
32. Joe
33. Whitney
34. Perry
Tier 8. Potential fringe role players
35. Pokusevski
36. Bolmero
37. Maledon
38. Tillman
39. Bassey
Tier 9. I don't see an NBA future
40. Tillie
41. Dotson

I have yet to scout:
Lewis Jr, Riller, Williams, Terry, Richards, Bane, Oturo, Bane, Ayayi, Flynn, Nnaji, Hughes, Azubukie, Pritchard, Butler, Wesson, Kispert, Tinkle, Powell, Whatford, Scrubb, Dosunmu, Cazlamore, McLemore, Tiske, Wiley, Lawson

1-7 I have as "expect long-term starter or better"
8-12 I have as "6th man ish"
13-20 I have as "role players"
21-34 I have as "specialists"
35+ I have as "draft on potential"

[Spud2nique]

Tier 1. The building blocks
1. Wiseman
2. Toppin
Tier 2. Long-term starters
3. Hayes
4. Haliburton
5. Anthony
6. Okoro
7. Vassell
Tier 3. Potential long-term starters
8. Okongwu
9. Ball
10. T. Bey
11. Edwards
12. Avdija
13. Smith
14. Reed
Tier 4. Potential starters/high level role players
15. Maxey
16. McDaniels
17. Rammsey
18. Nessmith
19. Jones
Tier 5. 9-12th men
20. Winston
21. Stewart
22. Green
23. Quickly
Tier 6. Potential role players
24. Haggins
25. Precious
26. Howard
27. Carey Jr.
Tier 7. Fringe role players
28. S. Bey
29. Hampton
30. Nowra
31. Mannion
32. Joe
33. Whitney
34. Perry
Tier 8. Potential fringe role players
35. Pokusevski
36. Bolmero
37. Maledon
38. Tillman
39. Bassey
Tier 9. I don't see an NBA future
40. Tillie
41. Dotson

I have yet to scout:
Lewis Jr, Riller, Williams, Terry, Richards, Bane, Oturo, Bane, Ayayi, Flynn, Nnaji, Hughes, Azubukie, Pritchard, Butler, Wesson, Kispert, Tinkle, Powell, Whatford, Scrubb, Dosunmu, Cazlamore, McLemore, Tiske, Wiley, Lawson

1-7 I have as "expect long-term starter or better"
8-12 I have as "6th man ish"
13-20 I have as "role players"
21-34 I have as "specialists"
35+ I have as "draft on potential"

Wiseman at 1 and Gwu at 8, no. No way.

[shakes0]

Edwards drops from 3 to 11 despite no one playing any basketball during that time??

[Roddy B for 3]

Edwards drops from 3 to 11 despite no one playing any basketball during that time??

I didn't watch Edwards live, I watched what I could on YouTube.

[Roddy B for 3]

This is my big board.
Im getting in, less than 5 minutes before the draft starts. This board I not pretty, I'll make it look better after the draft. But, the board will stay the same.

1 wiseman franchise top-3
type
2 ball franchise top-3
type
3 Okongwu long term starter
4 s.Bey long term starter
5 vassell long term starter
6 Hayes long term starter
7 Hali long term starter
8 Kira long term starter
9 Ramsey long term starter
10 Cole 6th man type w/ upside
11 okoro 6th man type w/upside
12 edwards 6th man type
w/upside
13 toppin 6th man type
14 maxey 6th man type
15 nessmith 8-10 role player type w/upside
16 p.Will 8-10 role player type w/upside
17 t.Bey 8-10 role layer type
18 R.Woodard 8-10 role player type
w/upside
19 j.Green 8-10 role player type
20 bane 8-10 role player type
21 Hampton 8-10 role player type w/upside
22 T. Jones 8-10 role player type
23 P. Reed 8-10 role player type w/upside
24 m. Simonović 8-10 role player type w/upside
25 K. Mane 8-20 role player type w/upside
26 Winston situational
27 Precious situational type
w/upside
28 McDaniels situational type
w/upside
29 I. Stewart situational type
w/ upside
30 Avdija situational type
w/ upside

31 Quickly situational type
w/upside
32 Maledon situational type
33 Oturu situational type
34 Terry situational type
35 Azubuke situational type
36 Flynn situational type
37 Dotson situational type
38 Howard situational type
39 Mannion situational type
40 Tillman situational type
41 Poko maybe they will work out
w/upside
42 Carey Jr. maybe they will work out
wupside
43 Stanley maybe they will work out
w/upside
44 Bolmaro maybe they will work out
45 Nnaji maybe they will work out
46 Richards maybe they will work out
47 Haggins maybe they will work out
48 Riller maybe they will work out
49 Pritchard maybe they will work out
50 Nwora maybe they will work out
51 Joe maybe they will work out
52 N'Doye future Euro league stars
53 Tillie future Euro league stars
54 M.Jones future Euro league stars
55 K.-Mart Jr. future Euro league stars
56 Perry future Euro league stars
57 Whitney future Euro league stars
58 Wiley future Euro league stars
59 S. Mays future Euro league stars
60 J. Hall future Euro league stars

"W/upside" is relevant compared to their draft tier, not in a flat way. For different players it means different things. It's my way if acknowledging higher risk/reward prospects but not dropping the more sure things.

Overall I think sure thing prospects are more valuable and I want my big board to look how future redrafts will.

So I acknowledge high risk/high reward prospects without compromising my big board or drafting style.

No disrespect to my if these young men. They are all far more talented and hard working basketball players than me. These rankings are just my opinions, obviously my opinions el be flawed.

I'll elaborate on the neanings of the "tiers" in the next post. (Which will be post-draft)
EDIT:
I missed J. Smith and will slide him in just behindT. Jones and he'll start the situational tier (everyone behind him who is currently "role plser" will move to situational)