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Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:13 pm
by lmcguir15
It's been a nice 3 game winning streak, but one was against a bad Memphis team, a fringe play in team in Atlanta and a Pacers team that has scuffled of late. I'm not overrating those wins.
We're also assuming in some sense that what Cliff is doing with this lineup is special -- it's not to say a different coach wouldn't employ guys the same way. I've been through two tenures of Steve Clifford, he is who he is at this point, and I personally am ready to move on.
We have a fresh approach in the FO, why would we keep a holdover coach? Especially one known for mediocrity over top end success? Let's continue with the renaissance.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:16 pm
by yosemiteben
Also on the hold your horses approach, these games were right before the ASB where a lot of guys already have vacations on their mind.
If we have a big winning percentage post-ASB, we'll see.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:28 pm
by KembaWalker
It’s a pretty big red flag that a group of guys that have never even practiced together or under you have immediately 10x better chemistry than any lineup you’ve rolled out in years. There’s a talent difference, but it should be pretty apparent next week if they start acclimating to any alleged stale Cliffordball
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:05 pm
by SWedd523
Liver_Pooty wrote:Lol I was absolutely crucified on here not even a week ago at the idea of bringing him back.
deservedly so
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:52 pm
by Liver_Pooty
SWedd523 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Lol I was absolutely crucified on here not even a week ago at the idea of bringing him back.
deservedly so
We shall see bud
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:04 pm
by SWedd523
We already have seen pal
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:06 pm
by fatlever
cliff's saving grace to me is not that all of a sudden the team looks competent, but that the players still support him. it was never cliff's fault that mitch and MJ left him with a bench that should have been in the g-league for two straight years, or never signed a real backup point guard or left him with no 3rd string center after kai went nuts, or the insane amount of injuries.
but... cliff ain't the answer. we have6 years of cliff to know he's not the answer. thanks to cliff for jumping on the grenade two years ago. move him to the front office or something.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:53 pm
by MasterIchiro
I see Clifford as a caretaker through the second half. There's been significant upheaval in the wake of transfer of ownership. The playbook is 12 pages. The remaining players need some form of and feel for continuity, building on something rather than trashing everything that has been built. He always seems very kind.
It's great he just outcoached Carlisle (NBA title) and Snyder in recent victories.
Even greater the defense held two top-10 offenses in check.
But I don't think he moves the needle. He just earns less money than all the other coaches who don't move the needle.
If I'm the incoming owners, I check with leadership advisory, Mitch Kupchak. If they were to consult Kupchak, he'd probably give a thumbs up on exercising Clifford's option year on his contract.
But they should and will consult the new GM and other high level official(s).
I think part of resetting the culture after 2 years under Clifford, losses aside, is just removing the stink of it all.
There are some good coaches out there who may be better for this new roster instead of Clifford.
He may even remain with the organization in his own advisory role.
The buyers/new owners seem pleased about the product they purchased. They seem to appreciate the work invested.
I think Cliff gets a golden parachute. He leads the team in career wins. Can't kick his ass on the way out the door.
Tempting though.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:21 pm
by JustBuzzin
Not falling for the trap. Sure we looked better since the trade, but we need a more modern HC. Clifford is about defense, we have more of a scoring roster. We need to upgrade HC.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:06 pm
by Liver_Pooty
SWedd523 wrote:We already have seen pal
Lol bud and pal. Those two words trigger a lot of men. For some reason.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:11 pm
by SWedd523
Liver_Pooty wrote:SWedd523 wrote:We already have seen pal
Lol bud and pal. Those two words trigger a lot of men. For some reason.
No need to get triggered, guy
I think Cliff has been given more than enough leash. No successful results based organization would look at 6 years of bad results and go "yeah... let's keep doing that"
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:37 pm
by Liver_Pooty
SWedd523 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:SWedd523 wrote:We already have seen pal
Lol bud and pal. Those two words trigger a lot of men. For some reason.
No need to get triggered, guy
I think Cliff has been given more than enough leash. No successful results based organization would look at 6 years of bad results and go "yeah... let's keep doing that"
Lol no ones triggered. Well, except you and Ichiro in you guys back and forth. Highly entertaining.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:49 pm
by SWedd523
Liver_Pooty wrote:SWedd523 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Lol bud and pal. Those two words trigger a lot of men. For some reason.
No need to get triggered, guy
I think Cliff has been given more than enough leash. No successful results based organization would look at 6 years of bad results and go "yeah... let's keep doing that"
Lol no ones triggered. Well, except you and Ichiro in you guys back and forth. Highly entertaining.
lol I think you missed the joke, friend
I can't get YouTube links to work. Google "I'm not your buddy pal"
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:17 am
by Liver_Pooty
SWedd523 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:SWedd523 wrote:No need to get triggered, guy
I think Cliff has been given more than enough leash. No successful results based organization would look at 6 years of bad results and go "yeah... let's keep doing that"
Lol no ones triggered. Well, except you and Ichiro in you guys back and forth. Highly entertaining.
lol I think you missed the joke, friend
I can't get YouTube links to work. Google "I'm not your buddy pal"
Lol
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:40 am
by amcoolio
You can't be serious with Clifford. Like comeon guys.
Same with Mitch. You guys have stockholm syndrome. The Hornets haven't made the playoffs in Mitch's tenure and have one of the worst records in the league this year. Clifford still has one of the worst point differentials this season in NBA history. Like be serious guys.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:20 am
by Diop
Liver_Pooty wrote:SWedd523 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Lol no ones triggered. Well, except you and Ichiro in you guys back and forth. Highly entertaining.
lol I think you missed the joke, friend
I can't get YouTube links to work. Google "I'm not your buddy pal"
Lol
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:25 am
by SWedd523
thanks pal
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:30 am
by Diop
SWedd523 wrote:thanks pal
the australian version is mate and c**t.
"I'm not your mate, ****"
"don't call me ****, mate"
we have a romantic language
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:52 am
by GoBobs
How much can these guys know as far as X's and O's in our system. He probably just told them to get out there and feel it out and it's the best basketball we have seen all year.
Re: I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:28 am
by Liver_Pooty
SWedd523 wrote:thanks pal
Lol I love Southpark. I kinda thought you were being a dick and just went with it. I dig it.