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damanick10 wrote:I'm all for team unity but these team interviews from OKC are getting cringe as hell.
OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Bob8 wrote:
That makes Mavs only more dangerous not less.
My point exactly.
Against an old, unathletic Clippers team sure.. but against OKC which is far more athletic, can run you out of the gym and has a rim protector like Chet, I just don’t see guys like Lively getting 7 dunks in a game on putbacks.
OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Bob8 wrote:
That makes Mavs only more dangerous not less.
My point exactly.
Against an old, unathletic Clippers team sure.. but against OKC which is far more athletic, can run you out of the gym and has a rim protector like Chet, I just don’t see guys like Lively getting 7 dunks in a game on putbacks.
scrabbarista wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:
The biggest edge OKC has is that one of the two best teams will be eliminated in Round 2. (HCA is the second biggest.)
I agree OKC can in theory win the West, but I think MIN is so much better than them that I think MIN is more likely to win the West, even facing Denver in Round 2.
As Round 1 got underway, I settled on the idea that there are only three good bets to win it all: DEN, BOS, and MIN.
If we played the Playoffs 1,000 times, yes, OKC would win a title, but I think there are only three teams that make up like 98% of the probability pie.
What makes Minny better in your opinion? Because both are top 5 on both ends. I just think the top end of OKC are far superior, especially as two way players. Gobert is elite defensively, but isn’t an offensive threat. Towns is an offensive threat but shrinks in big moments and isn’t a good defender. Edwards is still inefficient as a scorer a lot of the time and isn’t a great defender.
SGA, Chet and Williams are all 3 what I’d classify as 2 way players. Dort is gonna **** Edwards up. Probably hold him to 30% shooting in a series.
Well, for starters, I disagree that Gobert isn't an offensive threat; I disagree that Towns will shrink in big moments (I believe I've seen a change in him as a person this season); I disagree that Towns isn't a good defender (again, this 2024); and I disagree that Edwards isn't a good defender. The only point I agree with on those three players (other than Gobert being good defensively) is that Edwards is sometimes inefficient. But, to answer your question more generally, I have so much faith in MIN's defense, that every efficient game from Edwards is almost a lock as a win. If he gives you two, three, or four efficient games, that's one heck of a head start in a series. And that's only one of the ways MIN can win.
Good as OKC is, I think the physicality and/or veteran presence of MIN would separate the two teams in a series. Maybe we'll find out!
Bob8 wrote:Patches Perry wrote:This was the game I thought Pelicans would get, but with Giddey and Dort going 8-14 from three, nobody will beat OKC.
Pelicans are scoring 80 because Giddey and Dort are hot for 3?
OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:
What makes Minny better in your opinion? Because both are top 5 on both ends. I just think the top end of OKC are far superior, especially as two way players. Gobert is elite defensively, but isn’t an offensive threat. Towns is an offensive threat but shrinks in big moments and isn’t a good defender. Edwards is still inefficient as a scorer a lot of the time and isn’t a great defender.
SGA, Chet and Williams are all 3 what I’d classify as 2 way players. Dort is gonna **** Edwards up. Probably hold him to 30% shooting in a series.
Well, for starters, I disagree that Gobert isn't an offensive threat; I disagree that Towns will shrink in big moments (I believe I've seen a change in him as a person this season); I disagree that Towns isn't a good defender (again, this 2024); and I disagree that Edwards isn't a good defender. The only point I agree with on those three players (other than Gobert being good defensively) is that Edwards is sometimes inefficient. But, to answer your question more generally, I have so much faith in MIN's defense, that every efficient game from Edwards is almost a lock as a win. If he gives you two, three, or four efficient games, that's one heck of a head start in a series. And that's only one of the ways MIN can win.
Good as OKC is, I think the physicality and/or veteran presence of MIN would separate the two teams in a series. Maybe we'll find out!
There is objectivity to some of these statements. It’s not a matter of opinion to say Gobert is an offensive threat, it’s a flat out lie. You cannot give him the ball and run the offense through him or generate reliable scoring.
He’s literally not an offensive threat compared to other players on the floor. It doesn’t mean he can’t randomly drop 17 or something, but you cannot run the offense through him in the playoffs.
Team’s aren’t game planning for him whatsoever on defense. Towns has never won at a high level, and never made a deep playoff run. This is the first year he has great impact in the playoffs. The other 3 years he was literally a negative in most metrics.
scrabbarista wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:
Well, for starters, I disagree that Gobert isn't an offensive threat; I disagree that Towns will shrink in big moments (I believe I've seen a change in him as a person this season); I disagree that Towns isn't a good defender (again, this 2024); and I disagree that Edwards isn't a good defender. The only point I agree with on those three players (other than Gobert being good defensively) is that Edwards is sometimes inefficient. But, to answer your question more generally, I have so much faith in MIN's defense, that every efficient game from Edwards is almost a lock as a win. If he gives you two, three, or four efficient games, that's one heck of a head start in a series. And that's only one of the ways MIN can win.
Good as OKC is, I think the physicality and/or veteran presence of MIN would separate the two teams in a series. Maybe we'll find out!
There is objectivity to some of these statements. It’s not a matter of opinion to say Gobert is an offensive threat, it’s a flat out lie. You cannot give him the ball and run the offense through him or generate reliable scoring.
He’s literally not an offensive threat compared to other players on the floor. It doesn’t mean he can’t randomly drop 17 or something, but you cannot run the offense through him in the playoffs.
Team’s aren’t game planning for him whatsoever on defense. Towns has never won at a high level, and never made a deep playoff run. This is the first year he has great impact in the playoffs. The other 3 years he was literally a negative in most metrics.
Whoa, I said threat. Because you did. I didn't say engine. Lu Dort is an offensive threat. So is Rudy Gobert.
zeebneeb wrote:Man, as a Piston fan I'm salivating at all these teams losing in the first round. All of them have a player that would fit beautifully with Cade.
Sucks Zion can't play.
Bob8 wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:
My point exactly.
Against an old, unathletic Clippers team sure.. but against OKC which is far more athletic, can run you out of the gym and has a rim protector like Chet, I just don’t see guys like Lively getting 7 dunks in a game on putbacks.
Did you watch only game between Mavs and OKC in which Mavs both teams were playing with full roster? I understand, if you don't want to remember it.
Edit: Lively was out.
Wargreymon wrote:So many premature takes after Game 1 win by 2 points saying the Thunder weren't ready or legit. Now they up 3-0. Looks to me that they are more than ready to challenge Denver.
picc wrote:Really wish Sac won thag play in game. Feel like we’d have a much more entertaining series.
OkcSinceSGA wrote:scrabbarista wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:
There is objectivity to some of these statements. It’s not a matter of opinion to say Gobert is an offensive threat, it’s a flat out lie. You cannot give him the ball and run the offense through him or generate reliable scoring.
He’s literally not an offensive threat compared to other players on the floor. It doesn’t mean he can’t randomly drop 17 or something, but you cannot run the offense through him in the playoffs.
Team’s aren’t game planning for him whatsoever on defense. Towns has never won at a high level, and never made a deep playoff run. This is the first year he has great impact in the playoffs. The other 3 years he was literally a negative in most metrics.
Whoa, I said threat. Because you did. I didn't say engine. Lu Dort is an offensive threat. So is Rudy Gobert.
Maybe it’s a different definition. They can randomly drop 15-20. Dort more so than Gobert. But teams don’t scout or game plan for it, and don’t care whatsoever if they score. They are both 4th or 5th option guys on a contender.
Patches Perry wrote:Bob8 wrote:OkcSinceSGA wrote:
Against an old, unathletic Clippers team sure.. but against OKC which is far more athletic, can run you out of the gym and has a rim protector like Chet, I just don’t see guys like Lively getting 7 dunks in a game on putbacks.
Did you watch only game between Mavs and OKC in which Mavs both teams were playing with full roster? I understand, if you don't want to remember it.
Edit: Lively was out.
I would hope these of all playoffs would put to bed the importance of the regular season matchups.
Bob8 wrote:Patches Perry wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Did you watch only game between Mavs and OKC in which Mavs both teams were playing with full roster? I understand, if you don't want to remember it.
Edit: Lively was out.
I would hope these of all playoffs would put to bed the importance of the regular season matchups.
I would hope that people should watch other teams too, before making big conclusions about their team.