Re: PHX Suns off season could end their era
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:55 pm
Move KD and Booker while they can. Promote Beal to tank commander.
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Godymas wrote:Hair Jordan wrote:What era? They haven’t done sh-t.
the Devin Booker era obviously, please be serious when posting
pontius wrote:Move KD and Booker while they can. Promote Beal to tank commander.
HotelVitale wrote:Archx wrote:Suns shot themselves in the foot when they traded basically entire core for Beal and KD and also in the process lost important bench players. Cam and Bridges were perfect for them and the situation with Ayton was unfortunate but probably salvagable if both parties just sat down. Instead new owner tried to play NBA 2k GM mode in real life....
Do they even have any draft picks for the next 5 years? Or only bad contracts?LAvision wrote:They made their bed..... Dont they have no 1st round picks till 2030? And how much could KD and Booker really get in return? They are in such a bad situation.
They just owe BKN picks every other year, plus swaps to BKN/WAS that aren't likely to matter soon.
They're not totally out of options but they're pretty stuck. Their basic KD-Booker-Beal-Nurkic core puts them right at the tax on its own. They probably gotta shuffle around some pieces--maybe this year's pick for a cheaper decent vet on draft night--and hope for better chemistry running it back.
Archx wrote:sunsbg wrote:Archx wrote:Suns shot themselves in the foot when they traded basically entire core for Beal and KD and also in the process lost important bench players. Cam and Bridges were perfect for them and the situation with Ayton was unfortunate but probably salvagable if both parties just sat down. Instead new owner tried to play NBA 2k GM mode in real life....
Do they even have any draft picks for the next 5 years? Or only bad contracts?
The league doesn't allow to completely trade all your picks fortunately. If your Mavs are better than the teams Suns owe pick swaps than they are in pretty much same situation draft-wise. Both teams will hope to hit on few late 1st round selections until 2030.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
Suns will get back a pick or two for KD in next year or so.
Yeah you're right but i was also thinking more from a GM perspective. It's hard to unload bad contracts or do any decent moves without being able to include picks. Obviously KD still has some draw left so Suns could get something out of that but it's not looking that good right now.
Just weird, one or two seasons ago Suns looked insanely scary to me, now they're just meh.....
mademan wrote:Chris Paul and all those swaps probably couldve got them 2-3 decent role players. Instead they blew it on Beal and now have zero avenues to improve.
They should blow it up and eat the multiple mistakes. They'll probably just run it back tho
ConSarnit wrote:mademan wrote:Chris Paul and all those swaps probably couldve got them 2-3 decent role players. Instead they blew it on Beal and now have zero avenues to improve.
They should blow it up and eat the multiple mistakes. They'll probably just run it back tho
You’d think having seen multiple teams make the same mistake before the Suns would have learned something. If you’re going to bring in a 3rd star he better not be a score first guy. The 3rd option always get marginalized as far as scoring goes and then for them to be worth anywhere near their contract they need to have supplementary skills they can fall back on. The “good” example of this is Chris Bosh on MIA who became a very good defender and as such earned the majority of his contract. Beal is the “bad” example: not a good enough playmaker for others nor can he take the tough defensive assignments. So then you’re left paying $50m to an 18ppg scorer.
jazzfan1971 wrote:Are we sure that Beal still has a no trade clause? Just wondering if it goes away once traded
ConSarnit wrote:HotelVitale wrote:Archx wrote:Suns shot themselves in the foot when they traded basically entire core for Beal and KD and also in the process lost important bench players. Cam and Bridges were perfect for them and the situation with Ayton was unfortunate but probably salvagable if both parties just sat down. Instead new owner tried to play NBA 2k GM mode in real life....
Do they even have any draft picks for the next 5 years? Or only bad contracts?LAvision wrote:They made their bed..... Dont they have no 1st round picks till 2030? And how much could KD and Booker really get in return? They are in such a bad situation.
They just owe BKN picks every other year, plus swaps to BKN/WAS that aren't likely to matter soon.
They're not totally out of options but they're pretty stuck. Their basic KD-Booker-Beal-Nurkic core puts them right at the tax on its own. They probably gotta shuffle around some pieces--maybe this year's pick for a cheaper decent vet on draft night--and hope for better chemistry running it back.
Pretty sure they can trade their 24 1st and their ‘31 1st (they only owe a swap in ‘30) immediately after the draft. Are they dumb enough to keep mortgaging their future? Probably. Ishbia is one of the worst cases of “new owner syndrome” I’ve ever seen.
ConSarnit wrote:mademan wrote:Chris Paul and all those swaps probably couldve got them 2-3 decent role players. Instead they blew it on Beal and now have zero avenues to improve.
They should blow it up and eat the multiple mistakes. They'll probably just run it back tho
You’d think having seen multiple teams make the same mistake before the Suns would have learned something. If you’re going to bring in a 3rd star he better not be a score first guy. The 3rd option always get marginalized as far as scoring goes and then for them to be worth anywhere near their contract they need to have supplementary skills they can fall back on. The “good” example of this is Chris Bosh on MIA who became a very good defender and as such earned the majority of his contract. Beal is the “bad” example: not a good enough playmaker for others nor can he take the tough defensive assignments. So then you’re left paying $50m to an 18ppg scorer.
HotelVitale wrote:ConSarnit wrote:mademan wrote:Chris Paul and all those swaps probably couldve got them 2-3 decent role players. Instead they blew it on Beal and now have zero avenues to improve.
They should blow it up and eat the multiple mistakes. They'll probably just run it back tho
You’d think having seen multiple teams make the same mistake before the Suns would have learned something. If you’re going to bring in a 3rd star he better not be a score first guy. The 3rd option always get marginalized as far as scoring goes and then for them to be worth anywhere near their contract they need to have supplementary skills they can fall back on. The “good” example of this is Chris Bosh on MIA who became a very good defender and as such earned the majority of his contract. Beal is the “bad” example: not a good enough playmaker for others nor can he take the tough defensive assignments. So then you’re left paying $50m to an 18ppg scorer.
What do you guys think CP and a couple swaps (most of which likely weren't swapping) could've got them? Not defending the trade by any means but I'm not sure there were that many options for that type of package. Though the later swaps (like the 2030 one) have some value and were probably worth more than package of 2nd rounders that some vets got at the deadline this year.
They also took a gamble on Beal coming back healthy and in good form, hasn't happened that well but I always hate pissing on teams for taking swings that don't work out. (Unless you're doing the same when it does work out.) Just my taste though.
mademan wrote:HotelVitale wrote:ConSarnit wrote:
You’d think having seen multiple teams make the same mistake before the Suns would have learned something. If you’re going to bring in a 3rd star he better not be a score first guy. The 3rd option always get marginalized as far as scoring goes and then for them to be worth anywhere near their contract they need to have supplementary skills they can fall back on. The “good” example of this is Chris Bosh on MIA who became a very good defender and as such earned the majority of his contract. Beal is the “bad” example: not a good enough playmaker for others nor can he take the tough defensive assignments. So then you’re left paying $50m to an 18ppg scorer.
What do you guys think CP and a couple swaps (most of which likely weren't swapping) could've got them? Not defending the trade by any means but I'm not sure there were that many options for that type of package. Though the later swaps (like the 2030 one) have some value and were probably worth more than package of 2nd rounders that some vets got at the deadline this year.
They also took a gamble on Beal coming back healthy and in good form, hasn't happened that well but I always hate pissing on teams for taking swings that don't work out. (Unless you're doing the same when it does work out.) Just my taste though.
Seeing what Dallas is doing with Gafford/PJ, i think Paul and those high variance swaps couldve got them. It wasnt plainly clear that these guys were undervalued on their current teams and could provide real value as supporting pieces to offensive stars, but thats what FO's get paid for, no?
Go back 6 months and im certain Hornets and Wiz fan would give up these middling role players (Washington was considered overpaid) for the chance at gold 3-4 years from now. Beal, otoh, clearly had no place on a team with KD and Booker.