BREAKING NEWS: LeBron GOAT Scorer

[Lebronnygoat]

I literally have an edit saying it’s 33.6. If you want to calculate it and prove me wrong go ahead, I actually asked anyone to. Anyways, 2.3 pts gap vs 2.4 efficiency gap. Looks like LeBron takes the cake pretty clearly even in a disadvantageous situation of not playing game 5 vs Indy much and being injured vs Boston. Let’s not talk about how Detroit was a fraudulent series either in 91…

Again, you’re just reprising a prior almost-identical thread you’d made that already was played out, under the guise of a factual correction that you then edited to admit was wrong.

I’d direct others to many posts in that other thread, including the following:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112474658#p112474658

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112481192#p112481192

You’re assuming why I’m making a post, and no it’s not because I “felt defeated and so I had to make another one” which I never felt. I made several posts since then. I just now decided to use a different IA baseline on some projects I’m working on and this came across. Again if I’m arguing LBJ vs MJ on resilience you better believe I’m throwing out 91 vs Detroit, LA, and 10 vs Boston. May even include 14 Bobcats in there. Clearly the facts say LeBron was more resilient when you give a truthful insight into it

[lessthanjake]

I literally have an edit saying it’s 33.6. If you want to calculate it and prove me wrong go ahead, I actually asked anyone to. Anyways, 2.3 pts gap vs 2.4 efficiency gap. Looks like LeBron takes the cake pretty clearly even in a disadvantageous situation of not playing game 5 vs Indy much and being injured vs Boston. Let’s not talk about how Detroit was a fraudulent series either in 91…

Again, you’re just reprising a prior almost-identical thread you’d made that already was played out, under the guise of a factual correction that you then edited to admit was wrong.

I’d direct others to many posts in that other thread, including the following:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112474658#p112474658

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112481192#p112481192

You’re assuming why I’m making a post, and no it’s not because I “felt defeated and so I had to make another one” which I never felt. I made several posts since then. I just now decided to use a different IA baseline on some projects I’m working on and this came across. Again if I’m arguing LBJ vs MJ on resilience you better believe I’m throwing out 91 vs Detroit, LA, and 10 vs Boston. May even include 14 Bobcats in there. Clearly the facts say LeBron was more resilient when you give a truthful insight into it

Buddy, I don’t have to assume why you made this thread. You said it upfront: “As many of you know I created a post detailing LeBron’s scoring resilience in his prime (2009-2018) vs Jordan (88-98, used 86) which picked up a lot of spark. The problem is, I somehow calculated MJ’s points wrong.”

Now that you’ve immediately had to admit that your new calculation of Jordan’s points was incorrect, your own stated reason for making a new thread on this is essentially just nonsense. There’s nothing here that wasn’t already played out with your virtually identical thread two weeks ago. You haven’t actually identified an incorrect calculation from your prior thread. You’ve basically just made the same thread again. And that thread was played out, with multiple posts—including the above-linked ones—dismantling your points. Others can read those and make up their own mind, but this thread is just clearly almost entirely a repeat.

[Lebronnygoat]

Again, you’re just reprising a prior almost-identical thread you’d made that already was played out, under the guise of a factual correction that you then edited to admit was wrong.

I’d direct others to many posts in that other thread, including the following:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112474658#p112474658

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112481192#p112481192

You’re assuming why I’m making a post, and no it’s not because I “felt defeated and so I had to make another one” which I never felt. I made several posts since then. I just now decided to use a different IA baseline on some projects I’m working on and this came across. Again if I’m arguing LBJ vs MJ on resilience you better believe I’m throwing out 91 vs Detroit, LA, and 10 vs Boston. May even include 14 Bobcats in there. Clearly the facts say LeBron was more resilient when you give a truthful insight into it

Buddy, I don’t have to assume why you made this thread. You said it upfront: “As many of you know I created a post detailing LeBron’s scoring resilience in his prime (2009-2018) vs Jordan (88-98, used 86) which picked up a lot of spark. The problem is, I somehow calculated MJ’s points wrong.”

Now that you’ve immediately had to admit that your new calculation of Jordan’s points was incorrect, your own stated reason for making a new thread on this is essentially just nonsense. There’s nothing here that wasn’t already played out with your virtually identical thread two weeks ago. You haven’t actually identified an incorrect calculation from your prior thread. You’ve basically just made the same thread again. And that thread was played out, with multiple posts—including the above-linked ones—dismantling your points. Others can read those and make up their own mind, but this thread is just clearly a repeat.

I calculated it wrong ie literally dividing total pts by incorrect amount of games played. I said this. So then I decided to show the accurate version (and 110 is more reasonable than 114.8). 33.6 vs 31.3 is different than my prior post. Same with 6.8 vs 4.4. Don’t gaslight.

[NyKnicks1714]

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to artificially inflate his legacy. Even his Klutch Sports shills aren't pushing this crap.

"Your opinion is different than mine, but I don't understand your analysis so I'm just going to call it crap"

I have no idea what merit OPs analysis has, but he clearly put work into it (more work than you've put into any of your arguments), so at least respect it and take some time to refute it if you disagree instead of mindlessly dismissing it. "Crap" like your response really brings down the quality of discussion on this forum.

From what I've seen from Bron shills, their arguments aren't worthy of "respect" since they're almost always cherry picked, lacking full context, or just plain fabricated.

Their arguments deserve about as much consideration as a Nazi's views on Jews.

You talk about how an analysis like OPs is crap but then you post nothing of substance to refute it (because you don't have the ability to) and compare LeBron fans to Nazis. Grow up.

[Badlands]

Their arguments deserve about as much consideration as a Nazi's views on Jews.

What is wrong with you?? You just compared a LeBron fan posting a LeBron statistical analysis to a Nazi.

You might want to just delete your account before you further embarrass yourself.

[Lakers824]

Or a Zionist's views on Muslism.

Wanred for political derailing. This is a basketball discussion. Any more posts comparing NBA fans to real life political inhumanity will receive warnings and bans.

[SportsGuru08]

"Your opinion is different than mine, but I don't understand your analysis so I'm just going to call it crap"

I have no idea what merit OPs analysis has, but he clearly put work into it (more work than you've put into any of your arguments), so at least respect it and take some time to refute it if you disagree instead of mindlessly dismissing it. "Crap" like your response really brings down the quality of discussion on this forum.

From what I've seen from Bron shills, their arguments aren't worthy of "respect" since they're almost always cherry picked, lacking full context, or just plain fabricated.

Their arguments deserve about as much consideration as a Nazi's views on Jews.

You talk about how an analysis like OPs is crap but then you post nothing of substance to refute it (because you don't have the ability to) and compare LeBron fans to Nazis. Grow up.

Bron fan's arguments don't warrant anything more than that. Cry harder.

[NyKnicks1714]

From what I've seen from Bron shills, their arguments aren't worthy of "respect" since they're almost always cherry picked, lacking full context, or just plain fabricated.

Their arguments deserve about as much consideration as a Nazi's views on Jews.

You talk about how an analysis like OPs is crap but then you post nothing of substance to refute it (because you don't have the ability to) and compare LeBron fans to Nazis. Grow up.

Bron fan's arguments don't warrant anything more than that. Cry harder.

Well always nice when someone proves your point for you

[SportsGuru08]

You talk about how an analysis like OPs is crap but then you post nothing of substance to refute it (because you don't have the ability to) and compare LeBron fans to Nazis. Grow up.

Bron fan's arguments don't warrant anything more than that. Cry harder.

Well always nice when someone proves your point for you

Would you spend time debating flat earthers? No? Well I don't consider Bron stans arguments valid for the same reason.

[Iwasawitness]

As many of you know I created a post detailing LeBron’s scoring resilience in his prime (2009-2018) vs Jordan (88-98, used 86) which picked up a lot of spark. The problem is, I somehow calculated MJ’s points wrong when I divided it by the amount of games (I must’ve had lower games than he actually played).
Instead of 34.1ppg it should’ve been less.

I found this out doing another project on Bron’s resilient scoring- (Per 75/IA, opp quality, to 110.0 ORTG) and rTS to opp quality. -3rDRTG only

09 vs Orlando- 37.3pp75 rts- +8.3 6 Games played
10 vs Boston- 25.9pp75 rts- +2.2 (Note: when healthy was 38.4 on +13.6rTS) 6 Games Played
11 vs Boston- 28.6pp75 rts- +3.7 5 Games played
11 vs Chicago- 26.4pp75 rts- +5 5 games played
12 vs New York- 33.4pp75 rts- +7.8 5 games played
12 vs Boston- 33.8pp75 rts- +8.9 7 games played
13 vs Indiana- 31.4pp75 rts- +11.4 7 games played
13 vs San Antonio- 25.9pp75 rts- +1.3 7 games played
14 vs Indiana- 30.1pp75 (Factoring out G5 due to foul trouble and playing 24 minutes)- 33.2pp75 +17.9
6 games played
14 vs San Antonio- 32.8pp75 rts- +16.0 5 games played
15 vs Golden State- 33.6pp75 rts- -3.7 6 games played
16 vs Atlanta- 27.7pp75 rts- +5.3 4 games played
17 vs Golden State- 30.7pp75 rts- +10.5 5 games played
18 vs Boston- 33.7pp75 rts- +7.8 7 games played

Overall 09-18
PP75- 31.3 rTS- +6.8
Adjusted 09-18 (factoring out G5 vs Indy and unhealthy Boston games in ‘10)
PP75- 32.1
rTS- +9.0

Jordan
86-98 (meant to be 88-98 but 86 is fair to include)
86 Boston -38.2 +7.5 3 Games played
89 Cavs- 40.4 +8.7 5 Games played
89 Det- 29.6 +4.7 6 Games played
90 Det- 31.6 +5.2 7 Games played
91 DET- 31.9 +13.1 4 Games played
92 Knicks- 33.0 +1.8 7 Games played
92 blazers- 34.7 +10.6 6 Games played
93 Knicks- 35.5 +1.8 6 Games played
96 Miami- 37 +8.3 3 Games played
96 Knicks- 36.1 +1.1 5 Games played
96 Sonics- 30.0 +1.4 6 Games played
97 Atlanta- 28.5 -.4 5 Games played
97 Miami- 33.6 -3.7 5 Games played
98 Indy- 35.5 +5.7 7 Games played

Overall 86-98
PP75- 31.3 (MJ’s is less if not rounded up) rTS- +4.4

Seriously if I somehow again divided the total points by amount of games wrong again please tell me but I am 99% sure 75 games were played for MJ lol.

Edit: it’s 33.6pp75 for MJ. Still the same rTS- of +4.4 though.

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to artificially inflate his legacy. Even his Klutch Sports shills aren't pushing this crap.

"Your opinion is different than mine, but I don't understand your analysis so I'm just going to call it crap"

I have no idea what merit OPs analysis has, but he clearly put work into it (more work than you've put into any of your arguments), so at least respect it and take some time to refute it if you disagree instead of mindlessly dismissing it. "Crap" like your response really brings down the quality of discussion on this forum.

It’s sportsguru, what do you expect?

[NyKnicks1714]

Bron fan's arguments don't warrant anything more than that. Cry harder.

Well always nice when someone proves your point for you

Would you spend time debating flat earthers? No? Well I don't consider Bron stans arguments valid for the same reason.

I can easily debunk anything a flat earther throws at me. You're unable to refute anything OP has to say. You want to but you can't. So instead you just hurl insults and pretend it's beneath you. It's transparent, weak, and childish. Grow up dude

[NyKnicks1714]

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel to artificially inflate his legacy. Even his Klutch Sports shills aren't pushing this crap.

"Your opinion is different than mine, but I don't understand your analysis so I'm just going to call it crap"

I have no idea what merit OPs analysis has, but he clearly put work into it (more work than you've put into any of your arguments), so at least respect it and take some time to refute it if you disagree instead of mindlessly dismissing it. "Crap" like your response really brings down the quality of discussion on this forum.

It’s sportsguru, what do you expect?

I'm not familiar with this poster, just saw garbage and called it out.

[Iwasawitness]

"Your opinion is different than mine, but I don't understand your analysis so I'm just going to call it crap"

I have no idea what merit OPs analysis has, but he clearly put work into it (more work than you've put into any of your arguments), so at least respect it and take some time to refute it if you disagree instead of mindlessly dismissing it. "Crap" like your response really brings down the quality of discussion on this forum.

It’s sportsguru, what do you expect?

I'm not familiar with this poster, just saw garbage and called it out.

Well you’re already right about him not being able to properly refute the OP. What you’re seeing from him is really all you need to know.

[SportsGuru08]

Well always nice when someone proves your point for you

Would you spend time debating flat earthers? No? Well I don't consider Bron stans arguments valid for the same reason.

I can easily debunk anything a flat earther throws at me. You're unable to refute anything OP has to say. You want to but you can't. So instead you just hurl insults and pretend it's beneath you. It's transparent, weak, and childish. Grow up dude

I don't need to. The fact that his own paid shills aren't desperate enough to use this in an argument is all the proof I need that it's B.S. And if you've seen the narratives those guys bend over to create, they're pretty damn desperate.

So for that reason alone, it deserves as much consideration as a Nazi's viewpoints; none whatsoever.

This is derailing the thread away from basketball discussion. If it's continued, it will result in bans/strikes.

[naabzor]

"Per 75/IA, opp quality, to 110.0 ORTG) and rTS to opp quality. -3rDRTG only"

What in the world this means?

[SportsGuru08]

"Per 75/IA, opp quality, to 110.0 ORTG) and rTS to opp quality. -3rDRTG only"

What in the world this means?

It's made up mumbo jumbo by a Bron stan desperate to inflate his legacy by any means necessary

[web123888]

Vastly inferior scorer to Jordan. LeBron likely isn’t even a top 5 scorer all time. 1 scoring title.

[zimpy27]

When a poster says something illogical and then follow it with a laughing emoji then I always think they are subconsciously laughing at themself.

[hagredionis]

MJ won 10 scoring titles and Lebron won 1. But Lebron is the GOAT scorer. Makes sense.

[GSWFan1994]

"Per 75/IA, opp quality, to 110.0 ORTG) and rTS to opp quality. -3rDRTG only"

What in the world this means?

It means "my stats are better than yours" logic, nothing more than that.

There is no debate, it's simply a person pointing up some random stats/formula/hypothesis without taking into account all the other context needed in an analysis.