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Rishkar wrote:I have Jokic 29th (I'm big on era-relative longevity) and Kobe 17th (really low on his peak). Give Jokic 5 years of average production, and I think he cracks the top 15. Give him 5 more years of elite production, and he's a Goat candidate.

One_and_Done wrote:Jokic already passed Kobe. Kobe's not even in the top 20 these days, too many better players exist now.

FrobeBryant wrote:

uncleduck13 wrote:

FrobeBryant wrote:
Kobe also won 2 as the best player on his team. If Kobe had the talent Jokic has had on his team the last couple years he most likely would have won more. Yes Jokic is great, not denying that..but he’s got an amazing supporting cast that complement each other very well.

Kobe won those 2 alongside another Hall of famer , while Jokic has yet to play with an All-Star. No way are you comparing team talent.

Hall of famer only because winning with Kobe got him to that level. That and his international play, which doesn’t factor into this argument. Before Kobe, Pau had gone to the playoffs once and was swept in the first round and had one all star appearance. Meanwhile Jokic doesn’t have another all star but Murray sure plays like one looking at his numbers in the playoffs. Add Gordon and MPJ to that mix and it far out-talents any roster Kobe has played in.

Jta444 wrote:

Rishkar wrote:I have Jokic 29th (I'm big on era-relative longevity) and Kobe 17th (really low on his peak). Give Jokic 5 years of average production, and I think he cracks the top 15. Give him 5 more years of elite production, and he's a Goat candidate.

Lol at kobe at 17. He is a lock at top 12 though ofc with Jokic and Curry closing in in the future he might be top 15. Name the 16 players ahead of Kobe. His peak seems low because the time he peaked - 05-08 he had the worst supporting cast of his career compared to say MJ Lebron Bird Magic those dudes always had stacked teams during their peak.

sonic the laker wrote:Not gonna lie. As far as troll threads go...this one is an absolute chef kiss. Hilarious

Movics wrote:Grew up idolizing Kobe’s game and his jersey was the first one I’ve ever gotten. Kobe was a truly amazing player. Jokic is on another level though. Guy seems unbeatable which I never felt watching Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bron or Steph… if he catches Shaq in rings, he’s a top 5 player of all time

FrobeBryant wrote:Hall of famer only because winning with Kobe got him to that level. That and his international play, which doesn’t factor into this argument. Before Kobe, Pau had gone to the playoffs once and was swept in the first round and had one all star appearance. Meanwhile Jokic doesn’t have another all star but Murray sure plays like one looking at his numbers in the playoffs. Add Gordon and MPJ to that mix and it far out-talents any roster Kobe has played in.

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Heej wrote:

FrobeBryant wrote:No he’s not and he won’t unless he gets more rings. This board has serious Kobe Derangement Syndrome.

Kobe only has 2 FMVPs and 1 MVP while also just straight up not peaking as high as a player in general. If rings is your only argument in the debate you're cooked.

Yea, it's not that difficult to surpass Kobe, relatively speaking. In terms of fame and popularity, however, Joker will never come close.

Chokic wrote:The way realgm talks about kobe you would think he was a more hyped up ricky davis.