NBA Expansion

blvck · Post #61 » by **blvck** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:48 pm

im kinda hoping wen the nba does expand they go 36 teams 2 conferences 3divisions of 6 teams

i think we have a few locks for expansion and the rest would b subjective locks being seattle kcmo van other options to fill the final 3 slots mtl mexico jersey chi(2) cincy austin diego stl vegas louisville

too much talent not havin enough court time to truly develop players barely 30 being pushed out the league cuz we need roster room for the new draft picks draft picks that never even see the court draft picks bein used on stash players becuz roster room is short

withn the next 5yrs nba will need new stars anyways so its best to get the young talent spread in2 situations where they can develop so when the lebrons are gone n warriors past their prime everythng opens up and becomes competitive again

nomansland · Post #62 » by **nomansland** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:49 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:the nba is maybe the most popular sports league in the world (yes, more popular than every european football league). everyone i know would want to watch an nba game, if he ever makes it to the us. the league lives off its players and in no other sport individuals are hyped as much as in (nba) basketball.

No it's not.

The other day I heard a list of "sports with most fans around the world" or something like that. IIRC basketball was 4th or 5th. Soccer/futbol was the runaway leader. Cricket was 2nd. Baseball, golf and tennis were right in there with basketball.

bmurph128 · Post #63 » by **bmurph128** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:50 pm

nomansland wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:
Mr. E wrote:
Austin would be a better option than any listed here; but there would be so much opposition to adding another Texas team (including from the other three Texas teams).

Good city, growing, good corporate base, lots of disposable income, no pro sport competition (not including UT).

This was actually going to be my rationale for Columbus.

Only have an NHL team, it's by far the largest City in Ohio, and we would draw quite a few of the Cincinnati sports fans that don't want to be Cavs fans.

Plus it's one of the best cities in the country and one of the best in the world..

I was just in Columbus and loved it. Great, perhaps underappreciated city.

But it would be pretty low on my priority list given Ohio already has a team.

Yea it probably wouldn't happen. But plenty of States have multiple teams..

We fly under the radar because of the lack of pro sports teams, but it's pretty crazy if you look up best places to live...Columbus is up there. Of course, with Ohio State, most people on this side of the country are aware of us...but people out West are not.

BernteB · Post #64 » by **BernteB** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:52 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:the nba is maybe the most popular sports league in the world (yes, more popular than every european football league). everyone i know would want to watch an nba game, if he ever makes it to the us. the league lives off its players and in no other sport individuals are hyped as much as in (nba) basketball.

No it's not.

i'm not talking about most popular sport, but most popular league.

Post #65 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:57 pm

BernteB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:the nba is maybe the most popular sports league in the world (yes, more popular than every european football league). everyone i know would want to watch an nba game, if he ever makes it to the us. the league lives off its players and in no other sport individuals are hyped as much as in (nba) basketball.

No it's not.

i'm not talking about most popular sport, but most popular league.

And yet it's not lol. The Premier league, La Liga & possibly the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A (soccer) all surpass it by far. Heck, the NBA doesn't even match the NFL here.

BernteB · Post #66 » by **BernteB** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:08 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:No it's not.

i'm not talking about most popular sport, but most popular league.

And yet it's not lol. The Premier league, La Liga & possibly the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A (soccer) all surpass it by far. Heck, the NBA doesn't even match the NFL here.

nope, the nba as an event is bigger. the players are bigger (not only literally speaking). the hype when team usa participates in the olympics or world championships is unreal. attendance does not equal popularity. bundesliga, ligue 1, seria a... no way! la liga, it's mostly barca and real that people are interested in. the premier league is pretty big, but they don't have the individuals that the nba has.

Post #67 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:24 pm

BernteB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:
i'm not talking about most popular sport, but most popular league.

And yet it's not lol. The Premier league, La Liga & possibly the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A (soccer) all surpass it by far. Heck, the NBA doesn't even match the NFL here.

nope, the nba as an event is bigger. the players are bigger (not only literally speaking). the hype when team usa participates in the olympics or world championships is unreal. attendance does not equal popularity. bundesliga, ligue 1, seria a... no way! la liga, it's mostly barca and real that people are interested in. the premier league is pretty big, but they don't have the individuals that the nba has.

Look, I love the league, but it just doesn't compete with those leagues, let alone the NFL. Both money wise & popularity on a grand scale.

Soupman · Post #68 » by **Soupman** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Seattle(as soon as the new Arena gets built),Las Vegas(using the new NHL Arena) or Mexico City.

Post #69 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:00 pm

Soupman wrote:Seattle(as soon as the new Arena gets built),Las Vegas(using the new NHL Arena) or Mexico City.

2020/2021 for hockey. NBA will come eventually.

RunSunRun · Post #70 » by **RunSunRun** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:24 pm

G Buckets wrote:I'd love to see a team in Pittsburgh.

It would take time for the city to become a basketball city, but the fans have always backed their teams, so an NBA team would get the support.

I pretty much dislike everything Pittsburgh...but they do have amazing fans and its a no brainer they would support an NBA franchise.

MeestR · Post #71 » by **MeestR** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:26 pm

Expand by 6 teams. 2 teams a year every 3-4 years until 6 teams are added. Total of 36 teams. Get rid of Conferences. Strengthen the worth of Divisions by scheduling. Top 16 make playoffs with Division winners earning home court advantage in 1st round. Lotto is a weighted shuffle of the bottom 10. The other ten teams get placed by record. Extend the draft after 2 rounds for all teams who wish to participate or have roster room until all players are taken or less than 3 teams are picking. No protections on those picks and require a mandatory D(scratch that) G-League stint. Only the top 2 rounds are trade-able and have team rights to them after the first year. No funky trade protections on draft picks. Lotto protection only.

Sorry, got off on a tangent. My top 6 expansion cities:

Seattle-Sonics
Louisville-ABA history-Colonels
St Louis - ABA history - Spirit
Norfolk - ABA history - Squires
Kansas City
San Juan

MrBaynes · Post #72 » by **MrBaynes** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:41 pm

BernteB wrote:
MrBaynes wrote:As a Vegas resident, there was a time where I would vote Las Vegas, but the demographics just don't add up. The city is not big enough to host NFL, NHL and NBA teams. The NFL will thrive here because of the limited # of games, and the idea that opposing fans (who travel well anyway) will travel to Vegas to see one game. Sure casino hosts will comp some tickets for bigger players, but the local population and economy are not strong enough for 3 teams in addition to everything else the town has to offer. The entertainment dollar in Vegas is stretched very thin as is, there is simply too much competition. Vegas would support a winner, but if the team struggles, they will go elsewhere, and QUICKLY. UNLV Basketball is big, but last year they struggled and went from a team that sold-out routinely, to a team that sometimes had as few as 3000-5000 in attendance for home games.

If the NHL and NFL had not expanded first, I would say Vegas is the ideal location and can support one team. 3 is simply too many, even if the NBA basically lives in Vegas during the offseason.

i would assume that 41 nba games could easily be sold out by tourists alone. the nba is maybe the most popular sports league in the world (yes, more popular than every european football league). everyone i know would want to watch an nba game, if he ever makes it to the us. the league lives off its players and in no other sport individuals are hyped as much as in (nba) basketball.

I would respectfully disagree. Sure, the casino players will get comps and people will come out to see the top teams/stars play. But what really determines if the team is viable is whether or not they can get enough support for your average games. Will the locals come out to see the 9th seed Las Vegas ______'s V. the 6th seeded Hornets? or the 10th seed Suns? Will tourists (domestic or international) opt to see a mediocre NBA game or the newest Cirque show, a top flight comedian, or a night out at XS or Hakkasan? Especially if they have NBA teams close to their own local markets?

Will enough of the local populace (which would already be the smallest market, and one of the poorer markets overall) support an "OK" team when they have to choose between the NBA, NHL and NFL for their sports dollar in addition to the other options in town? That's not even mentioning the local TV contract, which I imagine would be quite small (unless you could somehow convince the local casinos to include it in their basic tv offerings, which they will not do because they want their guests gambling, not watching a game upstairs).

I am convinced that Vegas will not support an ok team like other cities will, there are too many options for sports and entertainment in the town to support a mediocre product. Tourists will flock to the big games no doubt, but anything more than that I would be extremely wary if I was the NBA. Wait and see how the NHL and NFL do, if they out perform projections, then it should be up for consideration.

Zaschrona · Post #73 » by **Zaschrona** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:46 pm

6 new franchises: Vancouver, Seattle, Kansas City, Albuquerque, Lousville, Pittsburgh.

Northwest divison
Vancouver
Seattle
Portland
Utah
Denver
Kansas City

Pacific divison
Sacramento
Golden State
LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Phoenix
Albuquerque

Southwest division
San Antonio
Houston
Dallas
New Orleans
Oklahoma City
Memphis

Central division
Minnesota
Milwaukee
Chicago
Indiana
Detroit
Cleveland

Southeast division
Miami
Orlando
Atlanta
Charlotte
Washington
Lousville

Pacific division
Boston
Toronto
Brooklyn
New York
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

Post #74 » by **Mr. E** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:25 am

bmurph128 wrote:This was actually going to be my rationale for Columbus.

Only have an NHL team, it's by far the largest City in Ohio, and we would draw quite a few of the Cincinnati sports fans that don't want to be Cavs fans.

Plus it's one of the best cities in the country and one of the best in the world..

I'd put Colombus high on the list as well. I know that it gets overshadowed by Cincy & Cleveland because of the sports teams; but it is a large city (and growing) with a lot of potential corporate backing and from what I understand the Blue Jackets have done pretty well there. I would not be surprised to see that city carry an NBA team, even with Cleveland and Indy nearby.

Post #75 » by **Mr. E** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:34 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:And yet it's not lol. The Premier league, La Liga & possibly the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A (soccer) all surpass it by far. Heck, the NBA doesn't even match the NFL here.

nope, the nba as an event is bigger. the players are bigger (not only literally speaking). the hype when team usa participates in the olympics or world championships is unreal. attendance does not equal popularity. bundesliga, ligue 1, seria a... no way! la liga, it's mostly barca and real that people are interested in. the premier league is pretty big, but they don't have the individuals that the nba has.

Look, I love the league, but it just doesn't compete with those leagues, let alone the NFL. Both money wise & popularity on a grand scale.

I love the league, too...and I'm really hoping that the guy you are replying to is just joking around.

I wish that the NBA was on the level of the NFL, Premiership, La Liga or any other soccer; but it is just not there. LeBron is by far and away the most well-known active NBA player, and I don't think that he's in the same stratosphere as Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar or a few others.

And here is the thing: it is not some slight against the NBA to say that they are not as popular a league as something like the big Soccer leagues. The NBA is doing just fine, and it doesn't have to compete against the various soccer leagues in terms of popularity.

Post #76 » by **floppymoose** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:36 am

I wonder if the Bay Area could support two teams. With GS moving to San Fran, I think a San Jose team would sell seats ok. I'm just not sure about the TV part. But there is just a ton of money in this market. If NY and LA areas can support two, maybe the Bay can as well.

Since I live basically in San Jose, it would be quite the conflict for me.

nomansland · Post #77 » by **nomansland** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:36 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Soupman wrote:Seattle(as soon as the new Arena gets built),Las Vegas(using the new NHL Arena) or Mexico City.

2020/2021 for hockey. NBA will come eventually.

The arena *will* be here. Just a matter of time when the leagues jump in.

But if the NBA is smart they'll get here before the NHL sucks all the remaining oxygen out of the biosphere, because Seattle fans don't care what sport is available, they just want sports. The way the MLS just completely blew up here after the Sonics left is a perfect example.

Post #78 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:53 am

nomansland wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Soupman wrote:Seattle(as soon as the new Arena gets built),Las Vegas(using the new NHL Arena) or Mexico City.

2020/2021 for hockey. NBA will come eventually.

The arena *will* be here. Just a matter of time when the leagues jump in.

But if the NBA is smart they'll get here before the NHL sucks all the remaining oxygen out of the biosphere, because Seattle fans don't care what sport is available, they just want sports. The way the MLS just completely blew up here after the Sonics left is a perfect example.

Exactly. The time table for a re-done Key Arena is 2020-2021 according to Leiweke & depending on how much the city will try to delay it. :wink:

LakerLegend · Post #79 » by **LakerLegend** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:54 am

floppymoose wrote:I wonder if the Bay Area could support two teams. With GS moving to San Fran, I think a San Jose team would sell seats ok. I'm just not sure about the TV part. But there is just a ton of money in this market. If NY and LA areas can support two, maybe the Bay can as well.

Since I live basically in San Jose, it would be quite the conflict for me.

If they can support two football teams and two baseball teams I have no doubt they could support two, but with Sacramento not far they won't get another team.

Clemenza · Post #80 » by **Clemenza** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:11 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
BernteB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:No it's not.

i'm not talking about most popular sport, but most popular league.

And yet it's not lol. The Premier league, La Liga & possibly the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A (soccer) all surpass it by far. Heck, the NBA doesn't even match the NFL here.

The NFL, although its the richest sports league in the world, is only followed in North America(US, Canada, Mexico) with a sprinkle of fans in other countries.. The NFL is not worldwide like soccer(football) and basketball. The NBA is the Premiere League, La Liga of the basketball world and is followed world wide. The NBA is probably right behind or on par with La Liga and the EPL as far as worldwide viewership and followers. The NFL is not worldwide

Where should the league expand with Seattle?