Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer?

[dms269]

That article might one of the worst written articles.

[Jamaaliver]

If only....

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[Jamaaliver]

Trae forcing a sit down with team management to discuss the team's direction...feels like the precursor to a trade demand.

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[dms269]

Trae forcing a sit down with team management to discuss the team's direction...feels like the precursor to a trade demand.

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Maybe, maybe not. It is probably a "come to Jesus".

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[raleigh]

I hope it's a two-way conversation. There's plenty of blame to go around.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Trae forcing a sit down with team management to discuss the team's direction...feels like the precursor to a trade demand.

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This is where Landry and the boys start earning that pay check. Sit your star down and lay out a plan of action. Sell him on the notion of Sarr being a very early Christmas gift.

Break the unfortunate news that him and DJ won't work together. While doing so, let him know they will find a better fitting piece using DJ. Remind him that JJ is moving towards being a star running mate with him. If nothing else, allow Quin to show him the vision of where he see's the team with the right moves, and that Quin's input will be heavily valued.

This is such a pivotal moment for this franchise. We've started the summer off in the right direction by getting an unexpected pick falling into our laps. If we can string together a few more good moves, we can get back to having that bright future that the ECF run showcased.

[Jamaaliver]

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[tbhawksfan1]

“There’s times teams want to take their time, be slow with winning, their process. It’s just, I’m not there anymore. I want to win, and I’ve always been that way, so. I don’t feel like I have very much time to waste. I just want to continue to play at a high level, and I feel like I can do that: play at a high level and win.”

Trae is saying it loud and clear. Do the Hawks have any chance to win enough soon to please Trae's expectation? The #1 pick is great luck but it's most valuable as a draft piece, much less as a trade piece.

Problem with attempting a quick turn around into the kind of team Trae wants is that the Hawks are a long way from there. Too many changes need to be made. Nothing fits on this team. Murray and Trae was terrible. Front court is lame and needs to be rebuilt. Capela is on his way out. Likely before the next deadline.

Hunter is a mystery... JJ is the only player trending up and showing real potential

I don't think that the Hawks can become contenders wihin a year or two...so no making Trae happy. I suppose if he is hard in that stance and next season would only add to his frustration, looks like the best move is to trade him now.

I don't want our picks back. I want to do this mini rebuild fast. Use #1 on Sarr and try to get another 2024 top ten and some good role player / young player in a Trae deal and go with. I like the idea of San Anton, but not for our picks back. Something like K Johnson / #8 and #4 filler would get my interest

Murray / Vit / JJ / OO / Sarr

Hunter / Johnson / Capela / Bog / Kobe / Gueye / #4 / #8 Hopefully have room for a MLE this offseason

I think that's a team that can win over 30 games and have a lot of room for growth

[jayu70]

“There’s times teams want to take their time, be slow with winning, their process. It’s just, I’m not there anymore. I want to win, and I’ve always been that way, so. I don’t feel like I have very much time to waste. I just want to continue to play at a high level, and I feel like I can do that: play at a high level and win.”

Trae is saying it loud and clear. Do the Hawks have any chance to win enough soon to please Trae's expectation? The #1 pick is great luck but it's most valuable as a draft piece, much less as a trade piece.

Problem with attempting a quick turn around into the kind of team Trae wants is that the Hawks are a long way from there. Too many changes need to be made. Nothing fits on this team. Murray and Trae was terrible. Front court is lame and needs to be rebuilt. Capela is on his way out. Likely before the next deadline.

Hunter is a mystery... JJ is the only player trending up and showing real potential

I don't think that the Hawks can become contenders wihin a year or two...so no making Trae happy. I suppose if he is hard in that stance and next season would only add to his frustration, looks like the best move is to trade him now.

I don't want our picks back. I want to do this mini rebuild fast. Use #1 on Sarr and try to get another 2024 top ten and some good role player / young player in a Trae deal and go with. I like the idea of San Anton, but not for our picks back. Something like K Johnson / #8 and #4 filler would get my interest

Murray / Vit / JJ / OO / Sarr

Hunter / Johnson / Capela / Bog / Kobe / Gueye / #4 / #8 Hopefully have room for a MLE this offseason

I think that's a team that can win over 30 games and have a lot of room for growth

I will say it's not so much what they did do...it's more about what they didn't do AFTER the Murray acquisition. They didn't make a good faith effort to keep adding real NBA talent, did that at the cost of cutting salary and did nothing beyond that.

[tbhawksfan1]

“There’s times teams want to take their time, be slow with winning, their process. It’s just, I’m not there anymore. I want to win, and I’ve always been that way, so. I don’t feel like I have very much time to waste. I just want to continue to play at a high level, and I feel like I can do that: play at a high level and win.”

Trae is saying it loud and clear. Do the Hawks have any chance to win enough soon to please Trae's expectation? The #1 pick is great luck but it's most valuable as a draft piece, much less as a trade piece.

Problem with attempting a quick turn around into the kind of team Trae wants is that the Hawks are a long way from there. Too many changes need to be made. Nothing fits on this team. Murray and Trae was terrible. Front court is lame and needs to be rebuilt. Capela is on his way out. Likely before the next deadline.

Hunter is a mystery... JJ is the only player trending up and showing real potential

I don't think that the Hawks can become contenders wihin a year or two...so no making Trae happy. I suppose if he is hard in that stance and next season would only add to his frustration, looks like the best move is to trade him now.

I don't want our picks back. I want to do this mini rebuild fast. Use #1 on Sarr and try to get another 2024 top ten and some good role player / young player in a Trae deal and go with. I like the idea of San Anton, but not for our picks back. Something like K Johnson / #8 and #4 filler would get my interest

Murray / Vit / JJ / OO / Sarr

Hunter / Johnson / Capela / Bog / Kobe / Gueye / #4 / #8 Hopefully have room for a MLE this offseason

I think that's a team that can win over 30 games and have a lot of room for growth

I will say it's not so much what they did do...it's more about what they didn't do AFTER the Murray acquisition. They didn't make a good faith effort to keep adding real NBA talent, did that at the cost of cutting salary and did nothing beyond that.

Yeah, of course. We see it and Trae sees it. That's why I don't think that they will be able to make Trae happy without trading him to a better situation

[dms269]

“There’s times teams want to take their time, be slow with winning, their process. It’s just, I’m not there anymore. I want to win, and I’ve always been that way, so. I don’t feel like I have very much time to waste. I just want to continue to play at a high level, and I feel like I can do that: play at a high level and win.”

Trae is saying it loud and clear. Do the Hawks have any chance to win enough soon to please Trae's expectation? The #1 pick is great luck but it's most valuable as a draft piece, much less as a trade piece.

Problem with attempting a quick turn around into the kind of team Trae wants is that the Hawks are a long way from there. Too many changes need to be made. Nothing fits on this team. Murray and Trae was terrible. Front court is lame and needs to be rebuilt. Capela is on his way out. Likely before the next deadline.

Hunter is a mystery... JJ is the only player trending up and showing real potential

I don't think that the Hawks can become contenders wihin a year or two...so no making Trae happy. I suppose if he is hard in that stance and next season would only add to his frustration, looks like the best move is to trade him now.

I don't want our picks back. I want to do this mini rebuild fast. Use #1 on Sarr and try to get another 2024 top ten and some good role player / young player in a Trae deal and go with. I like the idea of San Anton, but not for our picks back. Something like K Johnson / #8 and #4 filler would get my interest

Murray / Vit / JJ / OO / Sarr

Hunter / Johnson / Capela / Bog / Kobe / Gueye / #4 / #8 Hopefully have room for a MLE this offseason

I think that's a team that can win over 30 games and have a lot of room for growth

I will say it's not so much what they did do...it's more about what they didn't do AFTER the Murray acquisition. They didn't make a good faith effort to keep adding real NBA talent, did that at the cost of cutting salary and did nothing beyond that.

I don't think you can ignore the major misses on draft picks as well. Swing and a miss on Hunter and, kinda of, the same for OO.

I think in a perfect world you would have had great movement with Murray and Trae, both playing off ball at times and constant movement. Instead it turned into an iso-fest.

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[vincecarter4pres]

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Idk, I proposed a similar question on the Nets board and didn’t even see this Tweet/report.

Is Trae the better player? 100%, no question about it.

But is Trae a bit hard to build with, hard to find that perfect pairing, much much more expensive? Maybe cannot be the best player on a real contender, but hard to have as your #2 because of his style of play and need to dominate the ball, along with overstretched, but definitely true to an extent defensive deficiencies?

I came here to ask how good was Trae during your run to the ECF and ran into this report, so I wasn’t looking to direct the conversation in this direction, but there’s something to be said about this stance.

Twelve years ago or so, many would have laughed at something like this if you swapped Trae with Deron Williams and Garland with Mike Conley Jr., but just a couple seasons later, most outside Nets fans would have seen the irony.

[HMFFL]

If our first overall picks not a superstar right sway Trae will request out. The writing is on the wall. Murray will be kept unless we're offered s package we cannot turn down.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Idk, I proposed a similar question on the Nets board and didn’t even see this Tweet/report.

Is Trae the better player? 100%, no question about it.

But is Trae a bit hard to build with, hard to find that perfect pairing, much much more expensive? Maybe cannot be the best player on a real contender, but hard to have as your #2 because of his style of play and need to dominate the ball, along with overstretched, but definitely true to an extent defensive deficiencies?

I came here to ask how good was Trae during your run to the ECF and ran into this report, so I wasn’t looking to direct the conversation in this direction, but there’s something to be said about this stance.

Twelve years ago or so, many would have laughed at something like this if you swapped Trae with Deron Williams and Garland with Mike Conley Jr., but just a couple seasons later, most outside Nets fans would have seen the irony.

I'd assume "some teams" probably just see Garland easier to attain than Trae. A team may consider saving on some assets, plus about a $7 million difference against the cap more appealing.

Trae Young taking that 2021 team to the ECF is something I doubt Garland would have been able to do. He's not as hard to build around as many will have you believe. The Hawks in general have been a poorly constructed roster. Trae just catches all the flak because he does have his faults.

[vincecarter4pres]

Idk, I proposed a similar question on the Nets board and didn’t even see this Tweet/report.

Is Trae the better player? 100%, no question about it.

But is Trae a bit hard to build with, hard to find that perfect pairing, much much more expensive? Maybe cannot be the best player on a real contender, but hard to have as your #2 because of his style of play and need to dominate the ball, along with overstretched, but definitely true to an extent defensive deficiencies?

I came here to ask how good was Trae during your run to the ECF and ran into this report, so I wasn’t looking to direct the conversation in this direction, but there’s something to be said about this stance.

Twelve years ago or so, many would have laughed at something like this if you swapped Trae with Deron Williams and Garland with Mike Conley Jr., but just a couple seasons later, most outside Nets fans would have seen the irony.

I'd assume "some teams" probably just see Garland easier to attain than Trae. A team may consider saving on some assets, plus about a $7 million difference against the cap more appealing.

Trae Young taking that 2021 team to the ECF is something I doubt Garland would have been able to do. He's not as hard to build around as many will have you believe. The Hawks in general have been a poorly constructed roster. Trae just catches all the flak because he does have his faults.

Trae is certainly a big game player, and the Hawks assets and draft selections have been squandered a bit, their roster construction is questionable, and flexibility in jeopardy to an extent.

But all that said, you don’t have concerns about Trae the player?

Where would you rank him overall in the NBA? I totally understand lists are arbitrary, but curious to hear your opinion.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Trae is certainly a big game player, and the Hawks assets and draft selections have been squandered a bit, their roster construction is questionable, and flexibility in jeopardy to an extent.

But all that said, you don’t have concerns about Trae the player?

Where would you rank him overall in the NBA? I totally understand lists are arbitrary, but curious to hear your opinion.

The bolded portion is why I am comfortable with whatever concerns that come with Trae. Trae is definitely a big game player. Even as a big game player, he has his faults of course, but how much of him being considered a ball hog is on him really? How much of his shot selection is really on him besides him making the actual choice to shoot certain shots? I might go rambling on a tangent here, but I really want to paint a picture.

It may sound a bit odd, but in a way, we've been forced to sit and watch Trae try to make hero plays because up until recently, the pieces around him haven't been able to mesh and compliment him except in a few ways.

Was John Collins being hyper efficient a product of him creating baskets for himself, or was it a by-product of Trae spearheading our heavy PnR offense? I mean for someone that drew comparison to Amare Stoudemire, Collins never really showed much of an affinity to self creation like STAT. It was so bad for him, that he would either fumble the ball away, force himself into an awkward position, or just straight kick it back out immediately.

What about Deandre Hunter being just as uncoordinated with the ball in his hands or severely lacking as a triple threat? Clint Capela is what he's always been, so you've got a low impact, redundant skillset between your PF/C. Bogi's more of a shooter than he is a scorer or facilitator. Huerter had/has the ability, but always seemed passive and would default back to Trae.

So if your hyper efficient PF has to practically get a lob thrown to him deep inside the painted area; your center also requires a lob thrown; your #4 overall pick SF is slightly better than your PF at handling the ball; and you need your best shooter on the wing, does this not put a heavy burden on your star PG to create a ton of gravity?! Yes, and when said PG is undersized, and not a 99th percentile athlete, how does he create this gravity? Bad shot selection, hunting fouls, and dribbling the air out of the ball.

Then the false hope that came from the ECF's run, has probably led to how poorly constructed this team has become over the last few years. I'm not sure many outside of the Hawks organization(particularly the FO)actually looked at that run in depth. I think Trae going down in the Milwaukee series truly highlighted the difference between a true contender, and a team that's on a good run. Yet we chose to extend hefty contracts to guys like Collins and Hunter. Eventually it led pursuing a bad fit in DJM, who I overestimated myself, and in hindsight, seems more like a knee jerk reaction to get some sort of talent to help Trae.

We haven't even gotten into the Nate McMillan offensive coaching debacle, and for good reason, we probably shouldn't. I'll just keep it simple and say i'm glad we have Quin now, but Trae needs some time adjusting to actual coaching.

So when it comes to Trae, and where he stands among the stars, I think he's a fringe top 20 player in the league. Despite his defensive shortcomings, Trae's got the offensive game that can lead a championship contender if you put the right pieces around him. Assembling those pieces might be more challenging than for others, but are De'aron Fox or Donovan Mitchell any different?

[vincecarter4pres]

Trae is certainly a big game player, and the Hawks assets and draft selections have been squandered a bit, their roster construction is questionable, and flexibility in jeopardy to an extent.

But all that said, you don’t have concerns about Trae the player?

Where would you rank him overall in the NBA? I totally understand lists are arbitrary, but curious to hear your opinion.

So when it comes to Trae, and where he stands among the stars, I think he's a fringe top 20 player in the league. Despite his defensive shortcomings, Trae's got the offensive game that can lead a championship contender if you put the right pieces around him. Assembling those pieces might be more challenging than for others, but are De'aron Fox or Donovan Mitchell any different?

All the stuff I cut out I agree with, the only thing to mention in regards to that, is has it ingrained a lot of bad habits in Trae that will be hard to remove going forward, no matter who his new teammates are?

In regards to the part quoted, this is where I have him ranked as well, exactly at 23 right now, but with guys immediately below and above him which he can leapfrog, or vice versa. To note, he is the type who can takeover a game, or a series, or maybe even a complete playoff run in the mold of a top 10 guy. That’s something a lot of guys most would rank below 15 do not possess.

As for the direct comparison to Mitchell and Fox, I think Mitchell is a lot better off ball then given credit for, has elite level athleticism and is underrated as a point guard, even though he’s mainly forced to be a shooting guard.

Fox is not a guy I’d build directly around as a top guy. Similar level player to Trae, but a clear number two, just not necessarily in style. I’m a big Fox fan, but I don’t think he belongs in this discussion specifically.

We pretty much evaluate Trae the same, from the outside I still personally feel he’s hard to build a contender around, or with though, and worry about his physical limitations and that he has a major falloff early into his career.

I’m very intrigued to see what happens with him this summer/upcoming season though, think there’s a good chance he’s dealt even though he’s such a money maker for the Hawks, even in treadmill form.

Then again, can also see a splashy move involving the #1 overall and one of Murray or even Jalen Johnson.

Trae and the right forward with a good supporting cast can absolutely be an on paper, or even legitimate contender imho. Think it’s more on if Trae’s camp is going to make it unbearable to keep him, or a team offers a godfather offer for him, that Atlanta can’t pass up.