The Sixerfan1976 Update Thread

9th Wonder · Post #106 » by **9th Wonder** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:31 pm

I really don't want to see Stefanski have to use the MLE for a PG this summer. Ideally that money should be put towards a shooter.

bebopdeluxe · Post #107 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:40 pm

Agreed...but if we don't have Miller or make a trade by the deadline, he will have no choice...

Post #108 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:24 pm

It's weird but to me, either Sam or Miller have to go. If you keep Sam and Miler, then Miller walks this summer and we don't have the space to get a replacement. If you deal Sam (for expirings although SF76 says that's not happening) then you would have some cap space when Miller walks and a chance to go get a new PG.

If Sam can't be dealt, then Miller has got to go. The worst thing we can do is nothing since that would leave us with a huge hole at PG and very limited options on how we can address it.

Youseff · Post #109 » by **Youseff** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:12 am

they should bring BK in as a trading consultant

sixerfan1976 · Post #110 » by **sixerfan1976** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:14 pm

A Saturday morning trade rumor for you....was told this last night.

Sam Dalembert and Willie Green for Tyson Chandler and Rasual Butler. We may also have to send a pick.....Green and Butler were filler...could also be 1 for 1-Dalembert for Chandler.

We are trying to get Devin Brown in the deal...willing to move Jason Smith if that happens.

They will talk more leading into deadline. But this one actually has a chance guys..stay tuned.

freshie2 · Post #111 » by **freshie2** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:17 pm

Interesting deal...if Chandler stays healthy, he's an upgrade over Sammy (very similar, but a bit better). Rasual Butler gives you a longer shooter over Green. Not sure I'd give up Smith for a smaller SG who is really having a down year. Thanks for the update...hope this would be coupled with something for Miller as well...

Philly's Best · Post #112 » by **Philly's Best** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:18 pm

As long as its not a 1st? Do they go back to Iguodala at the 2, Young at the 3, and start Speights? Or does Lou start at the 2?

51X3RF4N · Post #113 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:19 pm

How does that help us? Other than Chandler being a little smarter than Dalembert and Butler being a little taller than WG?

I mean, they have almost identical contracts, what is the benefit to us? Or are we throwing it into a 3-way that gets us expirings?

freshie2 · Post #114 » by **freshie2** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:25 pm

Expiring deals do nothing for the Sixers...I think it's simply the IQ and length that is appealing. They are about the same age (Sam/Chandler), but I think Chandler could be an upgrade longer term. It would be interesting.

51X3RF4N · Post #115 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:25 pm

In fact, the more I think about this deal, the more I dislike it.

I feel like it is a move, just to make a move. It doens't help or hurt us, which is why it is stupid to do it and disrupt any kind of team chemistry we might have right now.

Blah.

youngcrev · Post #116 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:27 pm

Chandler has gotten more hype over the past couple years playing with CP3, but I think they are a wash talent-wise. Sam is the better shotblocker, while Chanlder is a slightly better rebounder and a little less mistake prone.

I like the Green for Butler part because we could really use a shooter.

51X3RF4N · Post #117 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:29 pm

I think if we can get expiring deals for Sammy AND Willie, and then let Miller walk, it creates a big opportunity for at least making a small play in Free Agency, or taking on bigger deals in trades for the right person.

Think about it...Sammy makes what, 11Mill? Miller makes 10? Green makes 3?

Letting 24 million come off the books this offseason would certainly make us a competitor at least in the trade market. I'm no cap expert, but ESPN's trade machine says we are 8 mill over the cap. 8-24 is 16 mill over the cap...right?

corwin · Post #118 » by **corwin** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:43 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:In fact, the more I think about this deal, the more I dislike it.

I feel like it is a move, just to make a move. It doens't help or hurt us, which is why it is stupid to do it and disrupt any kind of team chemistry we might have right now.

Blah.

Lateral move at best. Chandler has an ETO in 2010/11 according to Sham but since he'll be making 13 million that year, I doubt he exercises it. Butler has one year less on his contract than Green, but trading Smith seems like a high price to pay for that.

ITK9 · Post #119 » by **ITK9** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:43 pm

imho Chandler is not better at all than Sammy.

Gsraider · Post #120 » by **Gsraider** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:01 pm

Similar players in Chandler and Dalembert, but like others said, he makes a few less mistakes and with Iguodala and Miller around, he should get just as many alley-oops thrown his way. The other part that may be intriguing for Philly might be that R. Butler has one less year on his deal than Green, plus he's a decent 3 point shooter.

Gsraider · Post #121 » by **Gsraider** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:04 pm

Forgot one thing. Why would we be willing to move Jason Smith if we got D. Brown or did this mean we'd move Smith if we got Chandler? Why move him anyway? He's got a nice contract and big men who can shoot with range seem like good fits in this offense and with Brand's return.

sixerfan1976 · Post #122 » by **sixerfan1976** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:34 pm

if you have brand and speights and chandler playing 4/5 minutes next year...who else do you have room for minutes wise? thats probably why they are willing to include smith.

not sure what will happen...but nice to see they are considering moving dalembert. I have never been a big fan. Chandler has his warts too....but we cant expect a star back. I just dont want a worse contract in years back.

shadowTerp · Post #123 » by **shadowTerp** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:46 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:In fact, the more I think about this deal, the more I dislike it.

I feel like it is a move, just to make a move. It doens't help or hurt us, which is why it is stupid to do it and disrupt any kind of team chemistry we might have right now.

Blah.

+1. Chandler's been injured and has underachieved this year. It's a lateral move at best. Butler for Green is fine, but why give away Smith for a Willie Green clone in Brown?

The only reasons are (a) New Orleans won't do the deal without it (in that case, I'd prefer not to), or (b) we're trying to clear a little bit of space under the luxury tax in 2010-11. But it really is a small amount of money (I think the difference is a little under a million or so).

76ciology · Post #124 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:57 pm

Honestly, I don't see how this deal makes sense for both teams.

Both teams are trading similar players and risking their team's chemistry to be ruined by injecting new players in their starting position.

The trade doesn't make sense salary capwise, talent wise or even if you consider it based on team needs.

underpressure · Post #125 » by **underpressure** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:57 pm

Did Ed inquire about Amare? If you follow the news, he may get traded for an apple and an egg. Stefanski cannot be completely unaware about the latest developments. Of course, we would have to get rid of Dalembert, which is not that easy (getting our hands on Amare and Hinrich für Miller, Dalembert, Speights and picks would be awesome though).