Tony has to go this offseason

[jfs1000d]

TA signs a one year deal? We keep him.

If he is loking for a 3 year deal at $4 mil per? Probably let him go.

I think he could have a big year next year (the second year after an ACL is usually back to full speed). Tony is going to be very healthy next year. I expect most of his explosiveness to come back.

He is probably OK with a one year tender.

[Jammer]

Who on earth would take Scal off our hands, unless we sweeten the pot considerably, or take back someone else's overpaid dead weight?

Someone who needs a great role model, strong locker room presence, work ethic, practice and etiquette habits, striving hard at both ends of the floor.

Brian would be perfect for the Knicks. They certainly could use his calming influence and smarts. Heck, Scal would probably double the basketball IQ of the entire Knick team all by himself.

Plus, if you haven't noticed, the Knicks lack outside shooting Big Men.

Brian would also work in Philadelphia, Miami, Dallas and Atlanta.

Brian was originally drafted by Philadelphia GM Ed Stefanski when he was with the Nets.

[Jammer]

Of course, to actually move Scal, he'd have to be packaged.

But, besides the obvious $3 million in cash, there's other options like:

Inexpensive (for next season) Glen Davis

or the #30 pick or

some combination.

And teams under the cap wouldn't have to send a player back.

And, there's always Gabe Pruitt, but I'd offer him to the Clippers with $3 million for
the Wolves top ten protected pick.

[sully00]

I think we can find better bench players then TA, he showed flashes but they were too few, this season he just has not been that good that often, defense is mostly effort we can find better defenders with better offensive games and definitly better decision makers. 2 guards are the easyies thing to pick up late in the 1st round.

I couldn't disagree more. Effort can take you from bad to decent or decent to good, but Tony Allen is great not good. He is a weapon on defense who also can go right at the other teams best offensive wing player.

He isn't perfect for certain, and you could replace him with a better shooter or ball handler at the guard postion, but you will not find anyone that plays defense like him. How many great defenders are there at the SG position, seriously?

[JHTruth]

Tony simply can't be trusted in big games. He could be an asset in spare minutes off the bench, but he is a TO machine!! He drives me nuts because of how often he loses his dribble. I'd like to see him return to some decent play, but I am dubious. Cassell and Brown are probably gone after this season. No effing way Posey is going to be let go. Doc and the other vets love him to death. House is well liked as well..

[DynastyInTheMaking]

Absolutely. I don't want to see him wear anything that remotely resembles green ever again.

[tlee324]

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I couldn't disagree more. Effort can take you from bad to decent or decent to good, but Tony Allen is great not good. He is a weapon on defense who also can go right at the other teams best offensive wing player.

He isn't perfect for certain, and you could replace him with a better shooter or ball handler at the guard postion, but you will not find anyone that plays defense like him. How many great defenders are there at the SG position, seriously?

I feel if they played to his strengths, especially defensively, he can be a valuable player to the team. He's proven that, IMO. But often he'll play to his weaknesses, and that's where he hurts the team. If we can put him in a role where his ballhandling and shooting is at a minimum while still maximizing his defensive contributions and abilities to get to the basket, that would be the 100% ideal situation.

However, if the C's can find a player that can defend effectively in the same manner as TA without the deficiencies, they should jump on that.

There's another side to the situation too, as TA is a fighter and very likely a positive to his team in the locker room. Trading him away could actually hurt the team internally... You have to be careful when working with the chemistry of a team.

Posey is actually a good role model for him. Posey is a real effective defensive player who knows how to most often not hurt his team offensively by not doing too much out of his realm of ability.

[GreenGrizz]

He handled Kobe well once. He is our Bruce Bowen. You will see it in the playoffs.

[canman1971]

He is young, coming off of a serious knee injury, which I still feel he is getting over the mental effects of. Why are people continually trying to replace/complain about our 10-15 guys? I've never been a huge fan of Allen, but I admire his determination to comeback from injury. Also, if a team offers him a lot of money (not going to happen) let him go, if not, he is a solid role player. I do agree that the ball should never be in his hands on a break though.

[Egregious Blunder]

tony is the only player off the bench who can create his own shot. also, people who demand he goes are only paying attention to one side of the court. his defense is still there, his offense will return with confidence.

also, this cat gave all he has to this team. hes been through tough times, his minutes have been cut drastically, but he doesnt sulk, he goes out and competes when called upon like a good soldier.

if they dont resign tony, i will be incredibly unhappy.

[Celts17Pride]

Well, there's opening offers, and final offers.

As I have said many times before, I can see Tony getting a final offer of 5 years for $14 to $15 million total, which is $2.8 million to $3 million per season.

Of course, his initial offer will probably be for less, and for not as many years.

But my guess is the final offer is 5 years for $14 to $15 million.

Or, like Sully says, $2.8 to $3 million per season.

2009 $2.8 Million
2010 $2.9 Million
2011 $3.0 Million
2012 $3.1 Million
2013 $3.2 Million

Jammer, you are either TA's agent or a big dreamer. Tony Allen will be offered a 1 year deal like Eddie House @$2-2.5 million. Maybe 2 years @ $4-5 million total. TA has done absolutely nothing to deserve a 4-5 year deal.

The Celtics live in a different world as far as the salary cap is concerned and they are not going to tie up a guy with marginal talent that plays 12-15 minutes in a game for 4-5 years.

[sully00]

Tony has a QO for 2.7 mil, he will get at least that or he will be gone, this isn't that tricky don't hurt yourself.

If you are also one of the people that gave up on Perk you should have to declare that.

Let's stop acting like Danny Ainge is some hardline negotiator, it doesn't really work in the NBA anyhow. If you want a player you pay him. The way the season has gone Tony has two choices he can take the QO and wait to be an unrestricted FA next year, or take a team friendly 2 or 3 year deal. I don't think Boston can just let him walk, they have other holes to fill in FA as well as other guys to sign with limited options to do it.

Last off season Charlie Bell landed a 5 year 18 mil dollar deal in restricted FA and Danny Ainge was all in on that if he could have worked out a S&T deal. Now Bell was coming off of a good year and Tony isn't but your are on drugs if you think that Charlie Bell is a better player than Tony Allen.

[cfan79]

If you are also one of the people that gave up on Perk you should have to declare that.

Perk isn't a shooting guard who has had 2 knee surgeries. Solid centers are harder to get then shooting guards.

[Egregious Blunder]

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Perk isn't a shooting guard who has had 2 knee surgeries. Solid centers are harder to get then shooting guards.

but perk is a center who had one of the worst +/- and efficiency ratings of the team and of centers in the nba last year.

[MyInsatiableOne]

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Perk isn't a shooting guard who has had 2 knee surgeries. Solid centers are harder to get then shooting guards.

Not only that, does anyone else still shake their heads that Tony blew his knee out on an uncontested dunk as a goof AFTER THE PLAY WAS STOPPED!!!!??

Says it all right there about his BBIQ...

[Celts17Pride]

Now Bell was coming off of a good year and Tony isn't but your are on drugs if you think that Charlie Bell is a better player than Tony Allen.

I would rather have Charlie Bell then Tony Allen. Looks like I'm on drugs. TA is making the same "rookie" mistakes in his fourth year in the league. He is clueless. Head down drive to the basket. Makes up his mind before the pass gets to him. You can make a sound argument this is his worse year of the four.

[billfromBoston]

I think that this has played out pretty well for Boston. Tony is still a great defender, he has struggled some offensively more importantly he didn't get to put up big numbers in garbage time, that would have skewed his production. I though he could end up avg 12 a game without providing much more impact that he has. I think now that Boston either gets him back on a deal that starts around his QO or for his QO on a one year deal.

But then again somebody gave Brian Scalabrine 15 mil.

...good to see that the IQ on this board is strong on this topic...many posters haver iterated this sentiment and its correct IMO...

..Tony has no market value and is restricted, as a defensive sub at the wing, Tony would be worth 2mill per and I doubt he's going to be offered much more...if he can round his offensive game back out, which I believe he can, than all the better, but there's no reason to let him go if he plays a role the team needs at a price it can afford...

I'd say the chances are likely that he'll be back, barring some left-field big dollar offer from some insane GM-not likely to happen...

[billfromBoston]

[quote="BadMuthaCeltic"][/quote]

If the Celtics want to replace Tony's defense at the wing, they need look no further than Tony's alma mater...Marcus Dove is an EXCEPTIONAL defender, he's considered a Bruce Bowen equivalent...

...but one has to factor in a couple of things...Dove is a rookie next season and he doesn't have the offensive ability of TA...so TA's 4 years experience and comparable defensive skill may be more worthwhile...

...I think TA will be back, but he's going to be pressed for PT by whomever else is on the team...it'll be up to TA to regain his spot on this team..again, I think he'll do it...the 2nd year after surgery is really the key year in many cases-Leon Powe being a perfect example...I don't believe that players "lose" their ability to play if they are 100 percent physically...TA showed he could play on a high level last season, if he's healthy in MIND and body he'll work his way back up the food chain...

[billfromBoston]

Tony has a QO for 2.7 mil, he will get at least that or he will be gone, this isn't that tricky don't hurt yourself.

If you are also one of the people that gave up on Perk you should have to declare that.

Let's stop acting like Danny Ainge is some hardline negotiator, it doesn't really work in the NBA anyhow. If you want a player you pay him. The way the season has gone Tony has two choices he can take the QO and wait to be an unrestricted FA next year, or take a team friendly 2 or 3 year deal. I don't think Boston can just let him walk, they have other holes to fill in FA as well as other guys to sign with limited options to do it.

Last off season Charlie Bell landed a 5 year 18 mil dollar deal in restricted FA and Danny Ainge was all in on that if he could have worked out a S&T deal. Now Bell was coming off of a good year and Tony isn't but your are on drugs if you think that Charlie Bell is a better player than Tony Allen.

Going to have to go with Pete on this one...TA will not get a 5 year offer from anybody...he's either a QO guy or a 2-3 year deal...If another team offers him a deal the C's may match, but i'd be surprised if it exceeds his QO base annual...Tony's injury history and inconsistency/decline over 4 years puts him in a completely different market than Charlie Bell...

[Fencer reregistered]

Tony strikes me as the sort of guy who would NOT benefit from a change of scenery.

Given him a low-priced multi-year contract that still gives him strong financial security. Then continue to teach him about what kinds of things will make him successful and which are irrelevant or counterproductive.

His upside is Bruce Bowen, plus the quicks and hops to make the occasional straight-line drive and to be a good finisher, minus a bit of size.