My take and ALL things Posey Here....

[Barry Lird]

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The tough part is that Boston would not have the MLE available as they would already be below the cap.

That's interesting, and I wonder how that works, rules wise. I mean, if we had Pierce and Garnett for their big money, then we signed a big time player because we're way under the cap, and then we re-sign Rondo for something that puts us OVER the cap (because you can exceed the cap to resign your own guys, if I'm not mistaken). Could we THEN, have our MLE, and LLE to use?

I mean, the big timer, and then Rondo signings would have to occur in that order, but I'm just wondering if that would make it possible to then have available the MLE and LLE.

[greenbeans]

i think youd have to renounce Rondo but i may be wrong

[Collinto]

It looks like Rondo's cap hold would be 6 mil, (300% of his previous years salary of 2 mil).

Players coming off rookie scale deals have been getting 12 mil in year one.

Obviously it would make sense to look at extending Pierce at a reduced rate to free up more money.

The tough part is that Boston would not have the MLE available as they would already be below the cap.

Gotcha...so Rondo's at 6 mil. I was going 300% off of the QO. So that would help quite a bit.

As far as what is a max contract, guys like LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Ginobli, Ming, Nowitski, Nash, Johnson...are not on their rookie contracts and will be able to get a max contract around 16 million, based on years in league as far as I can tell.

[Rocky5000]

Interview with Posey from tonight's DVD party. Doesn't really let on as to what he's thinking
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... m_dvd.html
Also interviews with House (who hopes to come back), Paul (who wants House and Posey back), KG, and Rondo.

[sully00]

That is were extending Pierce and reducing his cap number would be a the difference maker. Hopefully Boston can work out a 3 year extension similiar to what they gave KG with that first year freeing up cap space.

Boston may be just as likely to use the space in a trade for the short term and take on the final year or two of an aging all star player's huge contract to extend Pierce and KG's window as opposed to going out and signing a player to a to 5 year deal.

[Kefa461]

Posey is saying the right things......

Posey goes public: Celtics are top choice


http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... op_choice/


Lets hope a deal gets done.......
We need to patch a few more holes.....

[PPAW4Life]

^^^ You dont REWARD players. You pay them what the market will bear for their services. Not only that you try not to pay more then you would to an equivalent player.

Listen I liked Posey all season long. I told everyone he was more valuable to use them Gomes. But now after a hot playoff suddenly the guy is a super stud. He is not. He is a nice roleplayer. Your going to lose LITTLE if ANY going with Childress or Barnes. With the money you might save you could bolster the team in some other way..

So Danny needs to exercise judgement and not overpay for the guy.. We don't need to reward him. He already gets paid millions in the NBA to play a kids game. If we were rewarding him he would get negative dollars like all the other professional athletes should.

Pete

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers? That makes no sense. He is paid to help us win when it matters and his production shouldn't be a measurement of what he is paid....if that was the case almost every player in the NBA is grossly overpaid.

I like Childress a lot but he isn't going to hit clutch shots and he isn't going to take charges like Posey will. Barnes is a solid role player but he will never be the defender or shooter Posey is and has been injury prone in his career. Both are down grades from Posey and I'd rather have Posey at the Full MLE for 4 years than either one of those and some backup PG.

I have faith in Rondo playing major minutes and if it comes down to it Pierce or Allen can play some PG.

[Dirty Water]

Posey is saying the right things......

Posey goes public: Celtics are top choice


http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... op_choice/


Lets hope a deal gets done.......
We need to patch a few more holes.....

This is good.

[Collinto]

^^^ You dont REWARD players. You pay them what the market will bear for their services. Not only that you try not to pay more then you would to an equivalent player.

Listen I liked Posey all season long. I told everyone he was more valuable to use them Gomes. But now after a hot playoff suddenly the guy is a super stud. He is not. He is a nice roleplayer. Your going to lose LITTLE if ANY going with Childress or Barnes. With the money you might save you could bolster the team in some other way..

So Danny needs to exercise judgement and not overpay for the guy.. We don't need to reward him. He already gets paid millions in the NBA to play a kids game. If we were rewarding him he would get negative dollars like all the other professional athletes should.

Pete

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers? That makes no sense. He is paid to help us win when it matters and his production shouldn't be a measurement of what he is paid....if that was the case almost every player in the NBA is grossly overpaid.

I like Childress a lot but he isn't going to hit clutch shots and he isn't going to take charges like Posey will. Barnes is a solid role player but he will never be the defender or shooter Posey is and has been injury prone in his career. Both are down grades from Posey and I'd rather have Posey at the Full MLE for 4 years than either one of those and some backup PG.

I have faith in Rondo playing major minutes and if it comes down to it Pierce or Allen can play some PG.

I think you are missing his point. He is using REWARD as in, what he did in the past. He is using REWARD as in, since you sacrificed last year and we won, we will pay you over market value as a thank you. Ainge has obviously pegged his market value, or he would have signed somewhere else already. Posey and Barlestien are waiting to see if someone goes higher, imho.

[sully00]

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers?

James Posey has avg 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for the last 4 seasons whehter he was on a champion or an also ran, he didn't sacrifice anything for anyone. That is the player he is. Do you really think that Posey took Ainge's offer of 3.2 mil last year instead of a 5 year 30 mil deal somewhere else? Because he didn't.

Posey should try and get as much as he can and Ainge should pay him as little as he can and that is all that it comes down to.

[Athanacropolis]

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers?

James Posey has avg 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for the last 4 seasons whehter he was on a champion or an also ran, he didn't sacrifice anything for anyone. That is the player he is. Do you really think that Posey took Ainge's offer of 3.2 mil last year instead of a 5 year 30 mil deal somewhere else? Because he didn't.

Posey should try and get as much as he can and Ainge should pay him as little as he can and that is all that it comes down to.

Wow. Perfectly said!

[Celtic Esquire]

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers?

James Posey has avg 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for the last 4 seasons whehter he was on a champion or an also ran, he didn't sacrifice anything for anyone. That is the player he is. Do you really think that Posey took Ainge's offer of 3.2 mil last year instead of a 5 year 30 mil deal somewhere else? Because he didn't.

Posey should try and get as much as he can and Ainge should pay him as little as he can and that is all that it comes down to.

Eff that. If Theo Epstein can pay give Jason Varitek $10 million a year for 4 years for his so-called "intangibles," giving Posey the full MLE is okay in my book.

I'll say it right now, we would NOT have won championship #17 this year without Posey's contributions. If we win another one next year due to Posey, he'll make up the value of the entire contract in one year.

[meatball sub]

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers?

James Posey has avg 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for the last 4 seasons whehter he was on a champion or an also ran, he didn't sacrifice anything for anyone. That is the player he is. Do you really think that Posey took Ainge's offer of 3.2 mil last year instead of a 5 year 30 mil deal somewhere else? Because he didn't.

Posey should try and get as much as he can and Ainge should pay him as little as he can and that is all that it comes down to.

Eff that. If Theo Epstein can pay give Jason Varitek $10 million a year for 4 years for his so-called "intangibles," giving Posey the full MLE is okay in my book.

I'll say it right now, we would NOT have won championship #17 this year without Posey's contributions. If we win another one next year due to Posey, he'll make up the value of the entire contract in one year.

Theo doesn't have to deal with a salary cap. If there wasn't a salary cap in basketball we wouldn't be having this discussion because we would all be saying "pay him what he wants". The salary cap complicates things so comparing MLB vs. NBA free agent contracts doesn't really work.

EDIT: Just so you understand Varitek's contract, catcher is one of the most important positions in baseball. Just look at the 03' Marlins, Pudge Rodriguez is a huge reason why they won it all. On top of that, Varitek is the captain of the team so any player that has a "C" on his chest is automatically going to be one of the highest paid players on the team. The guy can't hit worth a **** anymore, but a catcher's defense and intangibles are always more important than their bat so he is still earning most of his money IMO. Catchers who can mash while also being the "quarterback on the field" are a rarity and that's why they often end up in the HOF.

[sully00]

So you don't think the C's should pay Posey for sacrificing personal stats for the good of the team ultimately helping them win Banner #17 because he isn't putting up numbers?

James Posey has avg 7 points and 4 rebounds a game for the last 4 seasons whehter he was on a champion or an also ran, he didn't sacrifice anything for anyone. That is the player he is. Do you really think that Posey took Ainge's offer of 3.2 mil last year instead of a 5 year 30 mil deal somewhere else? Because he didn't.

Posey should try and get as much as he can and Ainge should pay him as little as he can and that is all that it comes down to.

Eff that. If Theo Epstein can pay give Jason Varitek $10 million a year for 4 years for his so-called "intangibles," giving Posey the full MLE is okay in my book.

I'll say it right now, we would NOT have won championship #17 this year without Posey's contributions. If we win another one next year due to Posey, he'll make up the value of the entire contract in one year.

I don't give a rats ass about Theo Epstein it has nothing to do with the Boston Celtics. Where were Posey's intangibles in Miami two years ago when they got bounced in the first round? It is a good reason to sign a guy but sure as hell isn't something you pay for.

[MoBSTa]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9473

Look's like Nelly's best young versitile SF, is looking for a new home.
I would have much rather had Buike then have POB.

I sure hope Danny get's to talk with Buike's agent to keep him in mind, just in case Posey don't resign. Maybe you don't pay for intangibles, But a team must pay for versitility, even with Posey being versitile, there are others still on the market.

I love Posey and want him back, but if he is lost I still believe that Buike could fill Posey's every role and maybe for a lot less money.
Is Posey worth the Full MLE? IMHO he is being selfish, when he and his agent knows they could also sell his Name in Boston. However it may be a hard sell in any other city.

Get it done, either sign the dotted line or let's go after Buike.

[sully00]

The position is not a huge need for this team we don't desperately need a SF. Posey himself was a piece to the puzzle and that has to play out but there isn't a great need to find a SF.

[Barry Lird]

...Where were Posey's intangibles in Miami two years ago when they got bounced in the first round? It is a good reason to sign a guy but sure as hell isn't something you pay for.

Shaq declined significantly from the championship year to the following, and Wade was injured for a large part of that year, and came back prematurely with his bad shoulder, but was ineffective. In other words, Wade was not really Wade.

Posey played like Posey always plays. That was a very fragile championship team. Aside from Posey, that team was comprised of just a rapidly declining Shaq, and a transcendent but hobbled by injury Wade, and a bunch of otherwise nondescript NBA fodder. Probably the most fragile of NBA championship teams that I can ever remember.

Posey's intangibles were not going to make up for Shaq's decline and Wade's injury.

Garnett, Pierce, and Allen surely have a higher regard for what Posey brings to the table than you do. I too, think his intangibles contribute more to winning basketball than his stats would suggest and I hope Danny brings him back.

[armageddon]

If Posey wasn't here last season someone else would have been. Maybe that other person brings the team more, less, or the same, we will never know. We do however know that we did and can win with Posey contributing so that is a positive known quality going forward.
Can we get an equal but different contribution from someone else next season with 5.8 million dollars. I say yes, but you'd be taking an amount of risk that it wouldn't work. Do you continue to drive your old paid for car that requires a little occasional maintenance or buy that shiny new car.

[rambo_ortega]

i like posey but for a fair amount for both the celtics and him.

[GuyClinch]

Garnett, Pierce, and Allen surely have a higher regard for what Posey brings to the table than you do. I too, think his intangibles contribute more to winning basketball than his stats would suggest and I hope Danny brings him back.

Pierce wanted Blount to sign with us as well. <g> Listen we all like what Posey brings to the table. He is clutch. He can hit open 3s. He has "balls." He isn't afraid to take a charge. And so on.

All i saying is that Posey isn't this magical player that you can't win a championship without. Other teams have won championships without James Posey. (Yes it's true look it up) Honestly I thought of the C's championship as kind of a lesson for all those Toronto fans. Those OMG you need a great BENCH people.

But suddenly it seems low and behold no it was the Celtics super talented 'bench' that won the championship in the eyes of some fans here. Well I am not buying it. I liked Posey more then Gomes. I favoured House over West. Most of the fans here were decrying the huge drop off with those moves at the beginning of the year.

I believe we could win with some other combination of players as well. It's the stars that made the team special. The bench just had to match up with that of other teams..

If we get Posey back - hurrah - because we know we didn't lose that much assuming he is motivated (and sadly that's a bit of a leap).. but if we bring in Matt Barnes and Tyrone Lue and Dan Gazurdic with the same money I won't be crying. Maybe we could win with that squad too.

Pete