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Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#1 » by Rocky5000 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:43 am

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sport ... ng-offers/
James Posey’s agent reports no decisive movement in negotiations for his free agent client as of early tonight. But the Celtics could be in danger in losing another player represented by Mark Bartelstein — Eddie House.

The Celts would love to get House back at a one-year deal for the veteran minimum, but he’s looking
for more money and more years. According to Bartelstein, such offers are currently on the table from other clubs.


This sucks, if true, because it means he's likely on the move. IMO Eddie was as integral part of our team during the playoffs as Posey. When Rondo was struggling, we could either go with Sam I Can't Hit the Broad-Side of A Barn or House. Doc was reluctant to go with Eddie, but when he did, he really came through when it mattered most. He gave us the same sort of hustle intangibles as we got from Posey. It's likely that Atlanta and Cleveland would have been a little easier for us, if Eddie had gotten more playing time. Most importantly, he was a great teammate all year, and never seemed to complain. It would seem like Danny would be more willing to stretch the length of House's deal out past one year, than to give Posey a 3rd or 4th year, since it's for less money, but you never know. The movements this offseason tell me that we're really looking to get younger on our bench. Who's the oldest guy we've had in for workouts?
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#2 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:08 am

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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#3 » by SonicYouth34 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:28 am

I hope we bring back EH, he was one of my favorite players and provides a great change in pace off the game and spreads the floor when Ray is on the bench
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#4 » by threrf23 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:34 am

yeah it kinda sucks, but if we were able to find guys like Posey and House for such reasonable contracts last offseason, who's to say Danny can't repeat this offseason. Were Posey and House getting these kind of offers last offseason? No. In fact, perhaps they were undervalued last offseason. And where imbalance exists, naturally it tends to correct itself by imbalance in an opposite direction before things eventually even out. So objectively, if Posey and House want to take a payday and/or simply a long and guaranteed contract, its not the worst thing that can happen to us.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#5 » by BillessuR6 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:10 am

I think Eddie is gone. He can definitely get more money and a longer deal somewhere else.

I would love to have him back, he just has the mentality few players have. Great energy guy, knows his limitations, knows his strengths, extremely confident, just the perfect role player for a championship team!
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#6 » by Jammer » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:57 am

House's mojo, game opening craps roll with Paul Pierce, and shot would be tough to lose.

He was sort of minimized against Detroit.

Against the Lakers, a lot of posters touted Rondo, but only looking at the Finals performance,
despite Pierce winning MVP,
I have placed House as 9th best player.

Garnett
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
James Posey
Rajon Rondo
Leon Powe
PJ Brown
Kendrick Perkins
Eddie House

House was most important for that second quarter boost with some 3 point shots,
and closing out games where spacing was needed, and scoring was needed.
James Posey was similar.

I wish the Celtics would at least offer House one year at the maximum raise to $1.8 million,
pray Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson are cut loose, and send Gabe Pruitt off for a second round pick.

House has said that the things that are important to him are:

multi-year deal
raise
wants to play, and not be buried on the bench

House may have to wait a bit before signing to see how thing shake out, to know if he'll be the 4th or 5th guard on whatever team he signs with.

If he wants to be in the rotation, he could sign with the Celtics, but lose that spot if Marbury or Iverson should get bought out and they come to the Celtics.
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Post#7 » by Truthiracy » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:08 am

Looks like Gabriel Michael is going to have to step it up for sure this season. I really like Eddie's toughness, I just want Pruitt to get a mean streak because judging by the few videos I've seen of him, he's a softy. Hopefully it will be different on the court.
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Post#9 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:23 pm

Get ready for the Stephon Marbury era.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#10 » by Marley2Hendrix » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:35 pm

the one thing I'm perplexed by is that now in both the posey and house threads posters have described them as being tough to replace because of their respective pre-game warm-up routines... ugh. I think many posters are victims of remembering the house call daggers that connected and forgetting that he shot just 17-56 (30%!!!) for the playoffs. He has an awesome quick release, but again, c'mon, if rondo is injured in the playoffs or misses 10-20 reg season games, house couldn't be counted on as a starting point.

& why why WHY would we redshirt a danny ainge pick only to give him up for a 2nd round pick? NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. House shouldn't want to return because I feel that it would only be a matter of a 1/2 season or 2 until Pruitt/Giddens take away his minutes.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#11 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:43 pm

I'll believe it when House inks one.

What team is going to offer House a long term deal (2 years would be long term)?

What team out there is saying to themself wow we really need to get House in here, give him 3 years 10 mil! Maybe, possibly he could find a LLE or Bi-annual from some team? But who would do that right now, especially when there are still other PGs to look at that are comparable.

I just don't see it; then again I didn't see Camby for a second rounder either. But this would be an exception to the logic rule.
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Post#12 » by PPAW4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:17 pm

Come on guys a 1 year deal at the vet's min. is just a low ball offer by the C's.

They say the League will reimburse the C's on deals like that so yea it's a great business move but winning Banner #18 is an even better business move. Who is going to give us a better chance of winning? Stephon Marbury? Please!

I would give House a 2 year deal at the max LLE and then give Posey a max MLE for 3 years and team option for years 4 and 5.

I don't want to see Marbury/Pruitt backing up Rondo next year.

I don't want to see Miles/Azibuke backing up Ray and Paul next year.

I'm sorry but opposing teams will start foaming at the mouth if we downgrade our bench like this.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#13 » by Tricky Ricky » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:21 pm

PPAW4Life wrote:Come on guys a 1 year deal at the vet's min. is just a low ball offer by the C's.

They say the League will reimburse the C's on deals like that so yea it's a great business move but winning Banner #18 is an even better business move. Who is going to give us a better chance of winning? Stephon Marbury? Please!

I would give House a 2 year deal at the max LLE and then give Posey a max MLE for 3 years and team option for years 4 and 5.

I don't want to see Marbury/Pruitt backing up Rondo next year.

I don't want to see Miles/Azibuke backing up Ray and Paul next year.

I'm sorry but opposing teams will start foaming at the mouth if we downgrade our bench like this.


Foaming at the mouth? They were foaming at the mouth all last season because "we had no bench" I def dont want to lose Posey but we would be fine with no House. Id love to see these two members of Banner #17 back but come on now, its not the end of the world if House goes.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#14 » by PPAW4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:01 pm

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PPAW4Life wrote:Come on guys a 1 year deal at the vet's min. is just a low ball offer by the C's.

They say the League will reimburse the C's on deals like that so yea it's a great business move but winning Banner #18 is an even better business move. Who is going to give us a better chance of winning? Stephon Marbury? Please!

I would give House a 2 year deal at the max LLE and then give Posey a max MLE for 3 years and team option for years 4 and 5.

I don't want to see Marbury/Pruitt backing up Rondo next year.

I don't want to see Miles/Azibuke backing up Ray and Paul next year.

I'm sorry but opposing teams will start foaming at the mouth if we downgrade our bench like this.


Foaming at the mouth? They were foaming at the mouth all last season because "we had no bench" I def dont want to lose Posey but we would be fine with no House. Id love to see these two members of Banner #17 back but come on now, its not the end of the world if House goes.


That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.
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Post#15 » by eitanr » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:19 pm

Azibuke, Ricky D, Miles, and Marbury are not awful plan B option.

Personally I would like Boston to sign Kristic, Marbury, and Miles. That would be sufficient. Boston could then dangle Davis or Powe for a shooter like Redick.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#16 » by Marley2Hendrix » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:38 pm

PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#17 » by meatball sub » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:19 pm

Redick sucks but he'd be money on our team. That's how I feel about a lot of these free agents, if you can't succeed on this team then you're truly a **** bum.
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#18 » by Tricky Ricky » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:36 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.


Exactly, I think the op has it the wrong way, I think its the average fans that think House is more than a shooter, not only a shooter
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Re: Bulpett: House has long term offer 

Post#19 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:55 pm

I like Eddie House, but he's pretty replaceable. He does one thing well- shoot. He's never been a strong defender, ball-handler, or rebounder. He doesn't provide much size. He's got a lightning quick shot and he's a really nice guy, but those aren't reasons why I'd give him more than a year or two extension. There's a reason why he has been a journeyman- he's just not a key cog.

If a guy like Lue or another good-shooting PG with better ball skills than Eddie can come here at the vet minimum, then I'll thank House for his time and send him on his way. I think Pruitt can do 80-90% of the shooting that House provides, with better ballhandling, better size/length, and better defense.

I know we had a 22 year layoff between titles, but that does not mean we have to get nostalgic with all the players that helped us win a title. Imagine if Theo had kept guys like Dave Roberts and Pedro around, rather than let them go when another team overpaid and gave too many years? There's no way the Sox would be defending champs and favorites for another WS appearance. Ainge and co. have to continue with a similar forward-looking mentality. You don't pay guys for what they've done. You pay them for what you expect them to do over the life of the contract you offer.
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Post#20 » by PPAW4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:05 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
PPAW4Life wrote:That's my point...if last year they were saying we had a "weak bench" if we downgrade wouldn't they be even more inclined to think our bench is weak an then go on a 20-0 run?

House is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end. He may not be a stopper but he isn't going to let anyone waltz in for a layup like Vujacic.


1 - Tyronne Lue is not just a specialist like most average fans think. The guy plays with a great deal of energy and hustle. He does his job in the right way and actually gives effort on the defensive end.

2 - Vujacic is atleast an average NBA defender who got beat by a future HOF on 1 play where his team failed to have any semblance of a rotational scheme to back him up. Unlike what "most average fans think" Vujacic is very capable of shaving on 4-8 secs off the play clock on any given possession by applying full court pressure on the ball.


Lue is a good backup PG but he is not nearly the dead eye shooter that Eddie House is and Lue has a penchant to get hurt. Eddie House has played his role very well where ever he's gone and if you'd rather have Lue over House at the same price then we'll just have to disagree.

Vujacic got beat on more than just one play - I seriously hope you were watching the entire NBA Finals to know that he isn't a good one on one defender and an average team defender at best, He certainly is an above average fake-hustle player though so he may be able to trick some fans into thinking he's trying....I'm just not one of them.

Both Posey and House could have gone else where last year for more money but ultimately decided to come to Boston to do something special. They contributed and should be brought back at a reasonable price and raise.

The vet. minimum and 2-year MLE deal is not good enough.

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