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Post#61 » by greenbeans » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:56 pm

Red2 wrote:I hope danny can explain why we let our 6th man walk because we didn't want to give him an extra yeara. it makes no sense to me. pose is the same age as garnett Pierce and allen. what would be so horrible about pairing him with those guys for the next 4 years. I thought the goal was to win a championship. Hasn't Posey proven that he knows how to do that? I hated the flirtation with Maggette and I thought from the beginning that Danny misplayed this. Obviously after what he did last year he has my complete confidence but I don't like this move. it's the wrong time to get cheap

have you actually been following this team? Pose was not your typical 6th man. and GPA wont be here for four years, let alone 2.
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Post#62 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:05 pm

I'll never respect another roleplayer as much as I respect James Posey.

Thanks for showing the defenition of class and being a team player. Thank you for showing how to make clutch shots and how keeping your cool can lead to you stealing the ball from Prince in what should of been just a routine dribble up court situation for Prine to seal the ECF for us. And that will symbolize what you were IMO more then just a routine role player. The best, above and beyond, roleplayer there is in this league.

It will also be able to cheer for Posey playing for NO, sometimes things just work out and him going there instead of LAL or CLE makes it one of those things that just work out.

Everything just got intresting for Ainge. We need another roleplayer on the level of Posey for our bench. Pargo for full MLE 4 years? NO will probuly still match since they only paid 4 million for Posey.
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Post#63 » by Spin Move » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:51 am

James posey is a good guy for any team to have and the better the team the more valuable he is. We would not likley won the title last year if without him with players from the rest of our roster. With that said: James posey is a limited player who showed his age in the playoffs last season, he looked bad in many games trying to gaurd atlanta's wings, could not nearly keep up with Lebron forcing us to gaurd him with one of the big 3 at almost all times and i hate to go to stats but only put up 7 and 4 a game. Lets say his intangables every game are worth 50% of his scoring and 25% of his rebounding. That makes him comparable to a 10.5 and 5 guy, thats a nice guy to have but not someone you pay the full midlevel to. Another problem with Mr. Posey is that he does not always show up in the best shape or play in a motivated fashion, he has a long history going back 2 teams of playing great one year then not showing up the next, he almost got kicked off the team in maimi for pulling a fatoine and ballooning after the season. James posey has never shot 44% for a season in his NBA career his highest scoring season he averaged 37% from the field, we did not just lose michael jorden, we didnt even lose Michael finley, we lost james posey, a guy who can fill a role, I am going to let you in on a little secret, James posey's biggest attribute was hustle, anyone can hustle, there are a whole lot of guys who would be very motivated to hustle and could hit the 3 just as well as james posey and would do it for half the money, Matt Barnes, Quinton Ross among others come to mind, Posey was long, Long, hustle hits open 3 in one player is somewhat hard to replace but its doable, like I said its not like the guy shot 45% from 3, he is a carreer 35% shooter and with this team he shot 38%....and 85% of those were WIDE OPEN 3's honestly, we can find guys who will make 41 or 42% with those shots,

Congrats James on the deal, but I think we can be a better team for both now and the future without Mr. Posey, I think not this season but next one NO will be very sorry they still ove Mr posey 12 million the fact of the matter is he is aging and was never a speedster to begin with. I think we can sign 1 guy who can do alot of what James did and have Giddens or Walker fill in the rest of that void. I think it makes more sense for the long term and will make us at least near the same level short term.

If it were me I would have offered him 3 years at the 20% raise from the previous salary, we CANNOT becuase of cap reasons offer anyone 4 year deals unless we are convinced they will be real studs, With how our cap situation is, we need to have flexibility 3 years down the road if the wheels fall off of any of the big 3, Allen will likely be traded before hte final year of his contract, and that new big 3 will have a 2nd window of 1 or 2 years. Well see how it all works out but I am not to worried about this, I say we sign barnes for half the midlevel to replace him.

P.S. I don't like the singing for the hornets roster wise, this could really stunt Julian Wrights growth, this is not a great signing for them short or long term...but good for james posey, I def would not have paid 48 million for him (what the same contract would have cost us since we are over the cap)
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Post#64 » by Maple Green » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:56 am

Thanks Posey for being one of the foundation to got 17th banner. At least you did not land in LA Lakers.
To all. Posey is not only player there are a lot players willing to tap and give an exposure.Expect DA will make another move to make the roster balance
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Post#65 » by Rocky5000 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:04 am

There's a rumor that we had offered Posey in a Sign and Trade for Artest.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9502
The Boston Celtics offered up a James Posey sign-and-trade to land Artest, but obviously that's not going to happen. As HOOPSWORLD's Jessica Camerato broke earlier today, Posey is now a New Orleans Hornet.


I wonder if we'll find another way to snag him...
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Post#66 » by RayAllen#34 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:17 am

I really hope the celtics sign Azubuike, i think he would be a great replacement for Posey. Good 3 point shooter, good defender, maybe he can make up for the loss in intangibles with the other skills he brings to the table.
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Post#67 » by grantlongforpresident » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:55 am

man. i've had some time to hash this over in my head. the rage has subsided, but i still don't like it.

Posey is not worth 4 years MLE to the Hornets - that is overpaying. But I think he is to us, simply because he gives us the best chance to win this year, and next (the two most likely years for us to win).

While i agree, the celtics won't cease to exist when posey is 34 years old, i don't think his $7 million for 1 years will sink the ship and ruin our team. I honestly believe that (this season and next) if you replaced Posey and PJ with Tony Allen and Patrick O'Bryant - we are not NBA champions. That is what we are doing this offseason, and I don't like it one bit.
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Post#68 » by Red2 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:16 am

yes greenbeans I actually do follow this team and have for some time and yes that was my opinion. the goal is to win now while we have pierce garnett and allen all healthy and in their prime. We had a much better shot at another titile with posey than without him.
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Post#69 » by jfs1000d » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:17 am

We won because of KG, Ray Allen and Pierce.NOT because of James Posey or Eddie House.

Both were valuable contributers, but, they are replaceable. Posey isn't worth 4 years at the full MLE. Not even close.

He did a good job for Boston and helped us win a title and took a chance on signing for a discount here. It paid off for him, and good luck.

We got what we wanted, a year of posey cheap and a championship. He took a risk and now he gets to reap the benefits of it. If we didn't win a title, no way he gets this money. GOOD FOR HIM. It worked out.
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Post#70 » by Spin Move » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:26 am

grantlongforpresident wrote:man. i've had some time to hash this over in my head. the rage has subsided, but i still don't like it.

Posey is not worth 4 years MLE to the Hornets - that is overpaying. But I think he is to us, simply because he gives us the best chance to win this year, and next (the two most likely years for us to win).

While i agree, the celtics won't cease to exist when posey is 34 years old, i don't think his $7 million for 1 years will sink the ship and ruin our team. I honestly believe that (this season and next) if you replaced Posey and PJ with Tony Allen and Patrick O'Bryant - we are not NBA champions. That is what we are doing this offseason, and I don't like it one bit.



If that 7 million prevented us from signing a max player (and it likley would due to our likley cap situation then, and we started sucking and couldnt find a good taker for KG at that point it could kill us for 5 or 6 years very easily, I like james posey but we can find guys to do what he did its much easier to do those things on a winning team then on a loser, guys like Rick fox looked great playing next to all stars, other scrubs can step up to posey level playing with the big 3.
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Post#71 » by Spin Move » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:28 am

Red2 wrote:yes greenbeans I actually do follow this team and have for some time and yes that was my opinion. the goal is to win now while we have pierce garnett and allen all healthy and in their prime. We had a much better shot at another titile with posey than without him.


Why, what did james posey do that was so irreplacable, he took key charges....any player with hustle and a little vision can do that, he was long...a million guys are that, he could hit 38% of wide open 3's theres tons of guys that can do that as welll, maybe it takes 2 guys to replace him but guys he was not putting up 25 a game or completly shutting down most of the opposition he was a pro who played solid defense who showed his age as the season went on. I am not at all worried.
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Post#72 » by Celtics_Champs » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:05 am

Good for Posey!! Show him some damn respect, he helped us win number 17. He has 2 rings so what if he goes for the money. It is not like he picked a **** team, or LA for that matter. He chose money and a good team. Good for him.

This does suck though. I wonder who the celts go after now...
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Post#73 » by GuyClinch » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:49 am

Grats to Posey. Dude was insanely, incredibly clutch and now he is set for life. The guy is like the Celtics Dave Roberts. You never forget a guy like that..

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Post#74 » by Fitness Guy » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:39 am

For any and all whiners out there, meaning "the team will be worse, blah, blah blah":

1. Remember, this upcoming year, the Big 3 will have had a whole season under their belt. Showing no signs of aging in the last game of this past one, they may play even BETTER as a unit.

2. Rondo will be better (I predict a huge year for him), Perkins (health permitting) will be better, Powe will be better. Remember, if you say "gotta have Posey, you win with veterans", well, these 3 are now veterans......

3. Some possible reasons for additional optimism: Big Baby working hard here in Boston offseason, the team liking Pruitt enough to think he's ready for playing time, Tony A. gets resigned, stays healthy and regularly takes his ADD meds................

4. The Posey thing was tough, no question. When you watch the Finals highlights and see all the clutch things he did, the first reaction to him leaving is "ouch". Then, as a GM, you have to sit back and do a "Vinatieri" analogy, meaning: at what point in that person's career does the clutch production start to drop off, and then weigh that estimate against that person's desired contract, particularly the length. It seems like Ainge pulled a "Belichick", and came up with a limit that the team could not cross (and didn't they offer him a 2 year deal first, or am I wrong?). Of course, if the Celts don't win it all next year, whiners will then have ammo to say "they definitely would have won it with Posey", when you know that there are no guarantees........

5. The only thing we really know right now is that the team will be DIFFERENT. Ainge has earned the right for reserved judgement, at the very least until the END of the offseason. Let's see what he comes up with.........
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Post#75 » by IEcelticfan » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:42 am

first, congrats to james for getting the contract he wanted. it is a business. a grown man's gotta do what he needs to do.

pose is proooobably not worth the full mle for 4yrs. we all have to remember: he was GREAT in this system, this defense, Thibodeau's defensive system. we shall see how it effects NO's game. i dont even know if they have/share a great defensive system like we do. i highly doubt it. it remains to be seen. west and peja aren't defensive demons (ray2 isnt as well but he grasped and fell into the syetem), and while cp3 gets lots of steals, i dont think of him like a rondo pest-type, with long arms/hands. but he should help them. i do want to see them, SA and fakers duke it out and beat the crap outta each other next yr.
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Post#76 » by return2glory » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:14 am

Thank You James Posey. Without Posey, we would not have won a championship IMO. He brought so much to this team both on the court and in the locker room. He will be missed.

One thing I don't understand is why not give him the 4th year that he wanted. He was one of the best 6th man in the league. This really hurts our bench. Also we gave Scalabrine 5 years and about $5 million a year. That's stupid.

I'm not going to criticize Ainge though. Ainge put this all togehter and brought us a title. He will bring in a player that can help. Hopefully now, we can resign House and TA.
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Post#77 » by return2glory » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:17 am

Maybe we can look into getting Darius Miles or Matt Barnes. If healthy, Miles will help us.

With the improvement of Rondo, Perkins, Powe, Davis, and the addition of Giddens and POB, this will hopefully off set the loss of Posey.
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Post#78 » by buckner1976 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:44 am

return2glory wrote:Thank You James Posey. Without Posey, we would not have won a championship IMO. He brought so much to this team both on the court and in the locker room. He will be missed.

One thing I don't understand is why not give him the 4th year that he wanted. He was one of the best 6th man in the league. This really hurts our bench. Also we gave Scalabrine 5 years and about $5 million a year. That's stupid.

I'm not going to criticize Ainge though. Ainge put this all togehter and brought us a title. He will bring in a player that can help. Hopefully now, we can resign House and TA.


uhhh...i think you mean 3mil a year. big difference. sure this hurts our bench for now. but we dont know what else might happen. 4 yrs is just too much too long. at 35 he was gonna be way too costly. i dont agree with judging these players in a vacuum. regardless of what the market is at this point, markets change and his value for his production was not worth 6 mil. you can find a guy to play backup 3 for 15min for less and you dont pay a guy 4 mil for intangibles. scal is "mr intangible" and people are always up in arms over his salary as it is.
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Post#79 » by Celtsfan1980 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:00 pm

I wish Posey luck in NO and I'd have no problem rooting for them if Boston is eliminated. The good thing is this should be the end of small ball and hopefully Big Baby, O'Bryant, and Powe should all get decent minutes next year. I do feel some people here are overrating Posey. Much of his offensive game consists of wide open 3-pointers. His defense will be hard to replace, but even then his defense vs. Lebron was mediocre and he didn't do much vs. Atlanta either.

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