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Sixerscan wrote:IggyTheBEaST wrote:I (and im sure all of you) would do Iggy and our 09 1st for Joe Johnson in a heartbeat
Absolutely not
Sixerscan wrote:Certainly, it's both.
Johnson is nearly 3 years older and has played 7000 more minutes. Iguodala had a better year than Johnson last year. JJ puts the ball in the basket, but Andre is more efficient and is a better rebounder and causes more turnovers. Andre's PER was nearly two points higher, his WP48 is much better, and most would agree he's a better defensive player. Joe Johnson had some really good players on his team last year and yet his team won less games.
Johnson is being paid the max the next two years. After that he'll be a free agent and he'll want another 5 year deal at the max, and he sure as hell won't take a pay cut when he's in his "prime." I don't want to pay Johnson the max for his age 27 and 28 seasons, much less for his 29-34 seasons.
Iguodala isn't going to get the max because no one can give him the max. He will get a contract that is reasonable.
And we're the ones giving up the 1st round pick when we don't even know if Brand is healthy? Please.
jmon wrote:
But Johnson has a high PPG total and did you not see the playoffs? Joe Johnson could not be stopped!!
dbodner wrote:Remeber Okafor would be BYC so they take back half his deal in the salary match. So a 12M okafor is 6M of our salaries going back. Matt Carroll makes 5M. The deal still needs to satisfy CBA (125% +100K) so we'll need to be in the 11M range
We'd actually need to get in the $17 million range.
Here's a simple example.
Charlotte:
Outgoing:
Okafor: $6 million (1/2 of $12 million)
Carroll: $5 million
Total: $11 million
Incoming:
dalembert: 11 million.
11 million x 1.25+100k = 13,850,000, which is greater than 11, so it works from that perspective. But, from our perspective:
Incoming:
Okafor: $12 million
Carroll: 5 million
Total: $17 million
Outgoing:
Dalembert: $11 million
$11 million x 1.25 +100k = 13,850,000, which is less than the incoming salary (17 million), so it doesn't work.
If we trade $13.85 million (the max charlotte can receive for that package), the most we can take back is $17.31 million. So it could actually work if you get the #'s just right.
Philly_King wrote:dbodner wrote:Remeber Okafor would be BYC so they take back half his deal in the salary match. So a 12M okafor is 6M of our salaries going back. Matt Carroll makes 5M. The deal still needs to satisfy CBA (125% +100K) so we'll need to be in the 11M range
We'd actually need to get in the $17 million range.
Here's a simple example.
Charlotte:
Outgoing:
Okafor: $6 million (1/2 of $12 million)
Carroll: $5 million
Total: $11 million
Incoming:
dalembert: 11 million.
11 million x 1.25+100k = 13,850,000, which is greater than 11, so it works from that perspective. But, from our perspective:
Incoming:
Okafor: $12 million
Carroll: 5 million
Total: $17 million
Outgoing:
Dalembert: $11 million
$11 million x 1.25 +100k = 13,850,000, which is less than the incoming salary (17 million), so it doesn't work.
If we trade $13.85 million (the max charlotte can receive for that package), the most we can take back is $17.31 million. So it could actually work if you get the #'s just right.
That's actually quite an interesting scenario. It seems like Okafor is all but gone from Charlotte so they might as well get what they can this year rather than risk him leaving next year for nothing.
Brown is a fan of Dalembert and they'd get a 10/10 C to replace OKafor so that might make a lot of sense from their prospective. For the salaries to work we'd have to take back someone elses contract instead of Carroll or involve Smith/Green etc in(I'm sure that could be worked out)
As far as my opinion of Okafor goes, well, I'd definitely prefer him to Sammy and would probably offer him 12-13m easily. The guy is young, MUCH better than Daly on offense, good defender and a very good rebounder. He averaged 15/11 in his rookie year which is amazingly good. Besides, an Okafor/Brand frontcourt would be one of, if not the, best big man duo in the NBA.
geiger wrote:Namely, move Miller and look for smart minimum wage signings.
geiger wrote:He did play with Elton Brand before and they were terrible together, with a team whose performance was far below expectations, with Miller leaving at the end of the year, so let's hope history won't repeat itself.
If we deal Miller, it doesn't mean we got with Lou as our lone and only full time PG. We lose Miller after next season for nothing and we're screwed. We'll only have about $3 million under the cap and because we will be under the cap, we won't have the ability to use the MLE or the LLE. Or we can re-sign Miller, who doesn't seem to love it on the East Coast, and give him a 3 or 4 year deal that he wants, which will pay him in the $10 million per year range into his mid to late 30s and watch a team that doesn't fit together. We either have to re-sign him to an extension before he enters free agency or we need to trade him. Because we need to use that MLE and LLE next season if we hope to take that next step.
I wouldn't mind seeing if Cleveland would take Miller, Green and Evans for Pavlovic, sign and traded Delonte West, and Wally Sczerbiak and his huge expiring contract. We would free up some cap space, get some shooters and I think we can be effective with Iggy at the 2 and West, Williams and Ivey at the point.
geiger wrote:I see Knicks are about to trade Renaldo Balkman to Denver for Taureen Green and Bobby Jones only to waive them. I wonder if we can send rights to Edin Bavcic and Ricky Sanchez to New York for Balkman. Better deal for them since they won't have to spend a penny on cutting those two and we get a solid, defensive minded small foward to back up Young.
