Red Larrivee wrote:There's some serious undervaluing of Rudy Fernandez in here.
He plays in a system that suits him . A lot of attention is taken off him by Roy,Aldridge, and Oden . He's a good player but not the be all end all .
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Red Larrivee wrote:There's some serious undervaluing of Rudy Fernandez in here.
DanTown8587 wrote:There isn't a chance Fernandez is undervalued. The main problems with his trade value: does Portland want to keep him knowing full well that even for a lesser player at another position (say HInrich v Fernandez) their team becomes better? I don't think anyone is saying that Fernandez is some scrub, because he isn't. But what people are saying Portland might trade away from a position of wealth (SG where they technically have Roy, Webster, Bayless, Fernandez) to gain at either PG or SF. That's why Fernandez's name keeps popping up.
Now, it probably isn't smart for Portland to include Fernandez in a Kirk+Noce deal because I think the Bulls would do the deal WITHOUT him for the right guys, but I do think Paxson should try and get him. He replaces Gordon, has really good size and is already a decent shooter from the perimeter. If he can become an adequate defender and scorer, the Bulls could be back in the playoffs next year.
nitetrain8603 wrote: the Blazers and Bulls had some discussions, but the Bulls don't want to sell their players low. They really don't just want back an expiring in '10 for Hinrich, the Blazers really wouldn't want to take on Noc at all or his contract. If the Bulls were somehow to throw in Deng, which the Bulls absolutely will not do unless they are getting a stud in return(think Roy + 1st for Deng and Hinrich), a match with Chicago doesn't seem likely. They may resurface though if deals with the other squads completely falter for the Blazers.
Leto wrote:Please. Rudy is WAY overrated. After his November debut, teams figured out he likes to shoot the three. Since then, his FG% has fallen off considerably and his season totals are 41% and 37% from 3. In December, he shot 34% from 3 and in Jan he's at about 36%. That's average, but he isn't that good. Noce puts up similar percentages and so does Hinrich. Except Hinrich is a much better defender, passer and an initiator of the offense and Noce is alot tougher and better rebounder. So, most definitely Rudy is overrated.
Sonny_D1 back on page 23 wrote:In fact, nibble on these numbers for a bit:
TS% .579
eFG% .535
Sonny_D1 wrote:Leto wrote:Please. Rudy is WAY overrated. After his November debut, teams figured out he likes to shoot the three. Since then, his FG% has fallen off considerably and his season totals are 41% and 37% from 3. In December, he shot 34% from 3 and in Jan he's at about 36%. That's average, but he isn't that good. Noce puts up similar percentages and so does Hinrich. Except Hinrich is a much better defender, passer and an initiator of the offense and Noce is alot tougher and better rebounder. So, most definitely Rudy is overrated.Sonny_D1 back on page 23 wrote:In fact, nibble on these numbers for a bit:
TS% .579
eFG% .535
coldfish wrote:From a purely statistical standpoint, look at Rudy's numbers:
Per game:
3.5 FGM 8.3 FGA
2.0 3PM 5.2 FGM
1.7 FTM 1.9 FTA
He is getting that efficiency by taking *mostly* 3 pointers and not a lot of them. In cases like that, people generally cannot maintain that efficiency with more minutes or shots. The shot quality goes way down.
girlygirl wrote:
Besides all that, the Blazers had to jump through hoops just to convince him to come to the NBA in the first place. After all that effort, I dout they really want to trade him this quickly.
The ROY wrote:girlygirl wrote:
Besides all that, the Blazers had to jump through hoops just to convince him to come to the NBA in the first place. After all that effort, I dout they really want to trade him this quickly.
^^ BOTTOM LINE ^^
I don't understand the 'dreaming' going on with some of you LOL. He's a FAN favorite in Portland and they've obviously wanted him there for some time now. He's about as untouchable as it's gonna get.
Stop it, seriously
Sonny_D1 wrote:
Or it could very well mean that he's only asked to shoot 3's or from the perimeter, on a team that features an excellent low post game and an excellent finisher in Roy? Or it could also mean that if he were given a few more minutes or more shots (driving more), he might be able to get himself into a better "rhythm" which is what most outside shooters do anyways? Playing on a team like the Bulls he'd certainly have more freedom to drive and be more of a "scorer" rather than just a shooter. Have you guys watched this kid play? He can finish, he can dish, and he can play D. At times you'd think he had eyes behind his head.
I suggest you all watch a few more Blazer games before comparing Rudy to players like JR Smith and Cook, efficiencies and all. If you guys haven't watched the Blazers enough to realize the difference, then there's really no reason for me to tire my fingers out typing on a Sunday.
coldfish wrote:Sonny_D1 wrote:
Or it could very well mean that he's only asked to shoot 3's or from the perimeter, on a team that features an excellent low post game and an excellent finisher in Roy? Or it could also mean that if he were given a few more minutes or more shots (driving more), he might be able to get himself into a better "rhythm" which is what most outside shooters do anyways? Playing on a team like the Bulls he'd certainly have more freedom to drive and be more of a "scorer" rather than just a shooter. Have you guys watched this kid play? He can finish, he can dish, and he can play D. At times you'd think he had eyes behind his head.
I suggest you all watch a few more Blazer games before comparing Rudy to players like JR Smith and Cook, efficiencies and all. If you guys haven't watched the Blazers enough to realize the difference, then there's really no reason for me to tire my fingers out typing on a Sunday.
My post was a purely statistical look at it, as I noted.
Does Kevin Martin do anything else but score? As an all-around player, Rudy is far superior to Martin.
Fernandez certainly looks good, but there is nothing about him that screams "top end player", when I watch him. He doesn't seem to have Manu's overall game.
When I watch him, I actually see a lesser version of Kevin Martin, which is certainly a good player, but not worth going ga ga over, like some.
Sonny_D1 wrote:
Does Kevin Martin do anything else but score? As an all-around player, Rudy is far superior to Martin.
coldfish wrote:Sonny_D1 wrote:
Does Kevin Martin do anything else but score? As an all-around player, Rudy is far superior to Martin.
Apparently I caught Rudy on his bad games, because I didn't see him do much more than score.
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Expect the Pritch Slap!
BuLLs>LiFe wrote:I'll admit I haven't been able to watch a ton of Rudy other than when the Bulls play the Blazers, but I have read some critiques of him on the Blazers board. From what I can see of the objective posters over there, a LOT of fans give him a free pass on a ton of things. Apparently, defensively he is less than spectacular and isn't particularly good at creating offense for himself. Maybe, he won't have to do that much with Rose. However, they were also saying that he isn't a good fit next to Roy, because Rudy needs the ball in his hands to be more effective. I think that directly clashes with what we want and expect from Rose. Any thoughts on that?