WadeKnicks2010 wrote:I'm making an assumption based on their physical gifts as observed by my own eyes. I probably don't know either of their ceilings either, but going by the trend, the best players this era have been Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. If you go back beyond that the best players are Wilt, Russel, Kareem, Jordan. Either big man or guards. Not undersized power forwards. No, I'm not saying Randolph will reach those heights nor has the ability to, no one will for a long time. But Beasley is simply not of the superstar mold.
First of all, who said a word about him being a superstar? And you're not mentioning him among guys whom he should draw comparison to, you're saying he's not going to be one of the NBA's all time legends. Fine, who cares. I'll concede that.
Their is a huge discrepancy between him having all star potential and him being freaking Michael Jordan! Charles Barkley and Karl Malone, who were a pair of undersized power forwards btw (Barkley was listed at 6'6" and Malone was 6'9" and 250 pounds, the same height and a mere 5 pounds heavier than Beasley), would have made more sense and again I agree, he doesn't measure up. But freaking Antwan Jamison has been an all star, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think Beasley has that kind of potential.
BTW, Randolph is undersized too. Don't kid yourself. 210 pounds does not a center make in this league. That makes for a nice sized point guard, or Keon Clark, but it does not make for a defensive force in the middle.
He never ever ever will be. Neither of them will get to such an elite level, but that's besides the point. I'm saying Randolph simply has a higher potential.
Based on what?!?!?!?!?! You've given no evidence whatsoever! All you've done is say that Michael Beasley won't ever be the GOAT. Who cares?
Um, the Heat themselves are starting Udonis Haslem over Michael Beasley. And Randolph, unless he completely misses out on his expectations, should be much better than the undrafted and undersized forward who isn't even tall enough to contest bigger players.
Not yet he isn't. And Beasley, unless he completely misses out, should be much better than Haslem, too. I don't see your point. Fine, neither Beasley nor Haslem is a finished product yet. Duh.
So yes defensive big men are much more valuable than a one dimensional offensive player.
No, good defensive big men are better than raw, inexperienced 20 year olds who happen to be one dimensional at the moment. Guess what? Randolph wouldn't start over Haslem, either.
The Heat franchise has been famous for going after solid defensive bigs in the Riley era. He knows how important they are to success. Your team's best forwards, guys like Antoine Walker and Jamal Mashburn, who are always at abundance in the league, weren't quite as instrumental as players like Alonzo Mourning, PJ Brown, hell even Brian Grant in their primes.
I love it!
So, Beasley's ceiling is automatically an over the hill injured Antoine Walker and Randolph's ceiling is Alonzo Mourning?!?!?!?!
BS.
Brand, Boozer, Ben, Kenyon, West, never got to the highest tiers in their position though. Duncan's height and defensive presence elevates him to a level past any of them, same goes for prime Sheed and KG.. Same goes for a guy like Hakeem(different position, i know), Alonzo and Ewing. I'll take the taller defensive players over the undersized scorers at the forward position any day as would most teams around the NBA.
Karl Malone and Charles Barkley.
And you've got one hell of a disgusting misnomer going here! Randolph as prime Sheed or KG?
Duh, I'll take a prime Oscar Robertson over a prime Ray Allen any day of the week. No, really?!?!??!?!?! Who the hell wouldn't?
Let's use a more accurate comparison, shall we? I'm giving realistic options as to where Beasley's potential lies and you're comparing Randolph to KG, Ewing, and The Dream! Give me a break, here! Randolph would be lucky to make it to KG's level today, much less prime KG.
You're just assuming his offense is going to come around and suddenly become, not just passable like a Charles Oakley, but freaking spectacular like Duncan, KG, Sheed, Ewing, Zo, or the Dream. You don't see a problem with that conclusion? Let's draw a similar parallel for Beasley shall we? I think Beasley's going to rebound and defend at prime Dennis Rodman levels, as his offense grows. Don't think that's a fair assumption? Then stop projecting 20+ ppg numbers on Randolph and asking me to swallow it.
Yes, go back to something I'm not trying to imply again. Even after I explicitly cleared it up for you that I wasn't.
So, your assumption that Randolph's got a higher ceiling isn't based on the fact that he was the most NBA-Ready player in the draft? Strange, since this quote comes from YOU in your second post in this thread:
He was the most NBA-Ready player in the draft, hard concept for some to understand but yes that means he's going to be closer to his peak coming in
So, which is it? Does he have a lower ceiling because he was the most NBA ready, or does he have a lower ceiling because you see less potential in him than in Randolph (just like Wade could never be at LeBron's, Melo's, or Darko's level)? At which point were you talking out of your behind; now or then?