Could we trade Flynn to Portland?

[Tirion]

What else do we get with Rudy for the 2nd best prospect in the draft?

Hm, hard to say.
How about something like Rudy + Bayless + Outlaw + rights to Joel Freeland for Rubio + Brewer + Henk Norel?

It gives you

- Rudy: a SG that can be close to a 20 ppg scorer (at the very least a very efficient 15/3.5/3.5 guy in his prime), has playmaking skills, brings energy/hustle and is a good fit next to Flynn and with Love/Jefferson (on kick-outs) since he's a 3pt assassin
- Bayless: an attacking PG/SG with an incredible swagger and work ethic, who is also a good defender. You could bring him off the bench or, in 1-2 years, start him. He has just as much potential as Flynn IMO.
- Outlaw: a supersub SF/PF, that is one of the NBA's best 6th men and clutch. And if you don't want him, you could simply renounce his contract and save 3.6 million. Keeping him is the better option for you by far though.
- the better and probably more talented player between the two Euro PFs*
- some quality pieces for next year (and the following seasons) instead of having to wait for Rubio

Not sure how high you guys value Brewer..
Other guys on your roster like Songaila (trade restriction), Gomes (huge contract), Telfair (not again), Thomas (trade restriction + expiring), Madsen, Cardinal or Smith (expirings) would probably not make much sense and are difficult to be traded. So Brewer is pretty much the only one that makes sense. For you because he's coming off an injury and didn't really produce much so far. For us because he's not a bad player, especially defensively, and is a quality backup (he would probably not play more than 15 mpg) at SF.

*(The Freeland/Norel swap: You guys get the better player, who is a half year older, but has just as much if not more upside and is already an important rotation player with better stats (scoring, rebounding), even on a per40 basis. We get Rubio's teammate to keep him happy.)

That's a pretty decent offer actually, unlike that NY crap.

PG Flynn/Bayless
SG Rudy/Ellington
SF Outlaw/Gomes
PF Love/Smith
C Al/D-Song

Too bad Wolves and Blazers are division rivals.

[revprodeji]

A team looking for a foundation does not move a potential stud for pieces. We need a comparable stud player.

Rubio trades should be starting with Eric Gordon level young players at the 5,3,2. Personally I say keep him, but if you want to blow us away with an offer than offer something.

[Jack wore plaid]

LOL at comparable stud player. Flynn or Rubio havn't done anything yet. I guess we could trade Jeff Pendergraph and Patty Mills for one of them since they are potential studs as well.

Rudy set a rookie record for 3's, and made one of the all rookie teams.


As for this Oden is a bust crap.....I get tired of reading ignorant fans spout this crap out.

Oden's PER was better than Howard's rookie year, Bynums first two years

Oden's PER this past season was 18.3. Second highest of any rookie. HIs PER was higher than Ewing's, Garrnetts', Al Jefferson's, Dwight Howard's and Amare Stoudemire's rookie years.

His per 32 minute numbers were all better than Howards were his rookie year. Yes, Oden fouled way too much. He probably will always have a high number of fouls, but completely recovering from his knee surgery, which takes two years, should cut down on that.


Here is a nice article that shows how good he was

http://www.lolsports.com/nba/oden/

[slinky]

As for this Oden is a bust crap.....I get tired of reading ignorant fans spout this crap out.

Whoa, there was 1 or 2 posters who said that...dont come vent on here, just because Oden is a bust... We can start Greg Oden thread here, and we can all vent there. But I agree his value isnt as high right now, but its more to do with the amount of hype he came in with plus the knee injury and not necessarily his performance.

LOL at comparable stud player. Flynn or Rubio havn't done anything yet. I guess we could trade Jeff Pendergraph and Patty Mills for one of them since they are potential studs as well

Do you really believe Jeff Pendergraph and Patty Mills have the same potential as Rubio or Flynn? Cause I think you are missing the point.

Rudy set a rookie record for 3's, and made one of the all rookie teams

Ok, so based on this stat that you are using to prove Rudy's worth, Rudy's ceiling is Dennis Scott. Scott holds the record for most 3 FG's made in a Season. Oh and who's rookie record did he beat...Kerry Kittles.

I dont want to start a debate here about Rudy Fernandez. I like him, I would want him. But the point here is that, he doesnt carry the same appeal that Rubio does. That why POR "wants" him. Anytime a team wants to acquire the biggest commodity in a deal they have to pay for it. It happens in every sport. Look at what ATl gave up to get Michael Vick. Imagine what teams would have given the Nationals if they could have traded Stephen Strasbourg at the MLB draft this year. Rubio's value far outweighs the marketing potential and international exposure than the normal rookie. Imagine the cash that would need to be added to a trade to compensate for the amount of money Rubio could bring the blazers. Its one of the reasons the Wolves won't trade Rubio, they used to have exposure with KG, but since he left, how many national televised games have the wolves had? The wolves have good players that the average fan hasnt heard about namely a top-20 player in Al Jefferson, and I apologize for the bias but the top rookie last year in Love(seriously, rookie second team?). Rubio would bring exposure to those guys and to the wolves. Thats why Rubio for Fernandez doesnt work. Sure maybe the current ability is the same but I am sure the wolves are taking in consideration different factors.

Oh I forgot this a Flynn thread.... Flynn would bring leadership to the blazers. Bayless has great physical tools but he is not a vocal leader. Flynn isnt a sexy pick like Rubio, but its substance over style with him. And lets not discount the fact that their was probably no one as physically impressive as Flynn in the draft. Maybe Griffin, but Flynn is an atheltic beast.

[slinky]

FYI, I am in the keep Flynn and Rubio camp. I think it can work.

The wolves have 2-3 years before they have to worry about how their championship contending team meshes.

[Jack wore plaid]

As for this Oden is a bust crap.....I get tired of reading ignorant fans spout this crap out.

Whoa, there was 1 or 2 posters who said that...dont come vent on here, just because Oden is a bust... We can start Greg Oden thread here, and we can all vent there. But I agree his value isnt as high right now, but its more to do with the amount of hype he came in with plus the knee injury and not necessarily his performance.

LOL at comparable stud player. Flynn or Rubio havn't done anything yet. I guess we could trade Jeff Pendergraph and Patty Mills for one of them since they are potential studs as well

Do you really believe Jeff Pendergraph and Patty Mills have the same potential as Rubio or Flynn? Cause I think you are missing the point.

Rudy set a rookie record for 3's, and made one of the all rookie teams

Ok, so based on this stat that you are using to prove Rudy's worth, Rudy's ceiling is Dennis Scott. Scott holds the record for most 3 FG's made in a Season. Oh and who's rookie record did he beat...Kerry Kittles.

I dont want to start a debate here about Rudy Fernandez. I like him, I would want him. But the point here is that, he doesnt carry the same appeal that Rubio does. That why POR "wants" him. Anytime a team wants to acquire the biggest commodity in a deal they have to pay for it. It happens in every sport. Look at what ATl gave up to get Michael Vick. Imagine what teams would have given the Nationals if they could have traded Stephen Strasbourg at the MLB draft this year. Rubio's value far outweighs the marketing potential and international exposure than the normal rookie. Imagine the cash that would need to be added to a trade to compensate for the amount of money Rubio could bring the blazers. Its one of the reasons the Wolves won't trade Rubio, they used to have exposure with KG, but since he left, how many national televised games have the wolves had? The wolves have good players that the average fan hasnt heard about namely a top-20 player in Al Jefferson, and I apologize for the bias but the top rookie last year in Love(seriously, rookie second team?). Rubio would bring exposure to those guys and to the wolves. Thats why Rubio for Fernandez doesnt work. Sure maybe the current ability is the same but I am sure the wolves are taking in consideration different factors.

Oh I forgot this a Flynn thread.... Flynn would bring leadership to the blazers. Bayless has great physical tools but he is not a vocal leader. Flynn isnt a sexy pick like Rubio, but its substance over style with him. And lets not discount the fact that their was probably no one as physically impressive as Flynn in the draft. Maybe Griffin, but Flynn is an atheltic beast.

Actually, Bayless is an extremely vocal guy. Bayless is an athletic freak as well. Bayless just isn't a trau PG, but I'm not sure we need that with Roy. Roy likes to have the ball in his hands (no homo) and the ideal PG beside him is someone who can deal with that.


I actually like Flynn a lot more than Rubio. I think he is going to be a very good player, but I do't don't think he will be better than Rudy, or if he is, I believe they will be on the same tier.

What I don't want is for this to come off like I am bashing the Wolves players. I think you guys had a really good draft, and are rebuilding the same way Portland did. I think in 3-4 years you guys will be in the playoff hunt. I use that number because it's about the time Portland did it in. If you can strike gold with one of these picks and land a Brandon Roy talent you should be able to get there.

[cingular]

Here's a tip for Minny fans.

Kahn is never trading with Pritchard anything of significance as long as Pritchard is still the GM of PDX.

[FairDinkum]

Here's a tip for Minny fans.

Kahn is never trading with Pritchard anything of significance as long as Pritchard is still the GM of PDX.

Says who? You?

Your GM didn't have the balls to pull the pin on #5, ours did

We are glad he did

Now go back to your 2010 pipedream

[cingular]

Here's a tip for Minny fans.

Kahn is never trading with Pritchard anything of significance as long as Pritchard is still the GM of PDX.

Says who? You?

Your GM didn't have the balls to pull the pin on #5, ours did

We are glad he did

Now go back to your 2010 pipedream

Yea Kahn will make a big splash trading with your biggest rival PDX.

You pulled the plug on a draft pick that was Brandon Roy. Kahn never though Rubio would slide to #5 nor did Walsh in the first place.

Why didn't you take the offer from GSW for KG way back when???
This has nothing to do with team you pull for, more common sense.

2010 is no pipedream bro, NYK will bring at least one MAX free agent, and no said it had to be Lebron.

If anything is a pipedream at THIS point in time, it would be for Minny to bring in a max free agent in 2010.

[Worm Guts]

I'd rather not trade either Flynn or Rubio at this point unless we get a great offer. I don't buy that they can play together long term, but I would like to see them battle it out. Best man wins.

[C.lupus]

Yea Kahn will make a big splash trading with your biggest rival PDX.

You pulled the plug on a draft pick that was Brandon Roy. Kahn never though Rubio would slide to #5 nor did Walsh in the first place.

Why didn't you take the offer from GSW for KG way back when???
This has nothing to do with team you pull for, more common sense.

2010 is no pipedream bro, NYK will bring at least one MAX free agent, and no said it had to be Lebron.

If anything is a pipedream at THIS point in time, it would be for Minny to bring in a max free agent in 2010.

1. We really don't have any rivals. The whole division rival thing is overblown. We play Portland the same number of times we play any other team in the Conference.

2. We didn't take the GSW offer because the Boston offer was better. Besides, this is irrelevant (as is Roy).

3. I have no doubt NY will give max money to a FA. They do it all the time.

4. Minny has never said they are expecting a max FA in 2010.

[Malapropism]

Oh I forgot this a Flynn thread.... Flynn would bring leadership to the blazers. Bayless has great physical tools but he is not a vocal leader.

That would make sense if Portland actually needed leadership, but they don't. Roy is their leader.

[cingular]

Yea Kahn will make a big splash trading with your biggest rival PDX.

You pulled the plug on a draft pick that was Brandon Roy. Kahn never though Rubio would slide to #5 nor did Walsh in the first place.

Why didn't you take the offer from GSW for KG way back when???
This has nothing to do with team you pull for, more common sense.

2010 is no pipedream bro, NYK will bring at least one MAX free agent, and no said it had to be Lebron.

If anything is a pipedream at THIS point in time, it would be for Minny to bring in a max free agent in 2010.

1. We really don't have any rivals. The whole division rival thing is overblown. We play Portland the same number of times we play any other team in the Conference.

2. We didn't take the GSW offer because the Boston offer was better. Besides, this is irrelevant (as is Roy).

3. I have no doubt NY will give max money to a FA. They do it all the time.

4. Minny has never said they are expecting a max FA in 2010.

Right but I have to think PDX is low on the list for Kahn to want to trade (regardless of there assets) just like Thorn and the Nets are for NYK. PDX could most assuredly cough up the nicest pieces in a trade but how likely is that compared to an out of conference team that Kahn will not have to worry about down the road.

Minny isn't expecting any FA's because they know their chances are slim as buyers (history) and hopefully you will dishing that $ out on resigning your own guys if they are worth their asking $.

[Krapinsky]

Oh I forgot this a Flynn thread.... Flynn would bring leadership to the blazers. Bayless has great physical tools but he is not a vocal leader.

That would make sense if Portland actually needed leadership, but they don't. Roy is their leader.

I know what you mean. I hate having too much leadership.

[EddieJonesFan]

Rubio stated TODAY that the one thing he is concerned with is getting minutes and that he WILL come over if he gets minutes. I don't know why there is so much "Ricky hates Minny" commotion...probably because the media WANTS him to hate the Wolves, despite that not being the truth at all.

I agree, I think Flynn and being no.5 has set him down this course most of all. Not necessarily Minny or your guys' roster.

[Xand1]

I'd rather not trade either Flynn or Rubio at this point unless we get a great offer. I don't buy that they can play together long term, but I would like to see them battle it out. Best man wins.

Not to mention that their value is at it's absolute lowest unless they full-out bust next year. Moving them right now would just be stupid. There's nothing to lose by bringing them both, assuming it's doable, because you establish their value while getting a chance to see how they work together. I'm with you that I definitely don't think they're our long-term back court pairing, but if Rubio is half of what we hope and Flynn can come in and show he's a NBA-level player, then he can be moved for a more complementary player down the line.

Just no trading right now. It would be beyond stupid unless you're dealing with extreme circumstances like a guarantee straight from Rubio's mouth that he never wants to play here.

[Worm Guts]

Just no trading right now. It would be beyond stupid unless you're dealing with extreme circumstances like a guarantee straight from Rubio's mouth that he never wants to play here.

Even then, I'd rather let Rubio sit in Spain for a year or two than trade him for Wilson Chandler.

[Xand1]

Just no trading right now. It would be beyond stupid unless you're dealing with extreme circumstances like a guarantee straight from Rubio's mouth that he never wants to play here.

Even then, I'd rather let Rubio sit in Spain for a year or two than trade him for Wilson Chandler.

Very true. I just don't see a way the return can be sufficient to move him, or Flynn actually, at this point. Rubio was the consensus #2 talent in this draft, a guy many think has potential all-star+ level talent. If that's true, even if you look to move him down the line, you have to use it to the advantage of the franchise by getting him to show it so other teams don't think you're crazy when you ask for a similar level prospect in return. These guys don't grow on trees..

I think Kahn's playing it right by being patient. Really, what can you lose by handling it that way? If Rubio stays in Spain for a year, you showcase Flynn and see what you have. If he comes over, you play them both and establish their value. Very little downside on the waiting game, imo.

[revprodeji]

Rubio stated TODAY that the one thing he is concerned with is getting minutes and that he WILL come over if he gets minutes. I don't know why there is so much "Ricky hates Minny" commotion...probably because the media WANTS him to hate the Wolves, despite that not being the truth at all.

I agree, I think Flynn and being no.5 has set him down this course most of all. Not necessarily Minny or your guys' roster.

MN wants to play them together. Flynn is a scorer who defends the pg, and Rubio is the pg that defends the SG (kid is a 6'5 18 yr old) Kahn said in a letter to fans that "He will be our starting point guard here the moment he walks through our front door. We may have to wait a year, or even two, but he is worth the wait. We must be patient. " The team wants to build around Rubio. Flynn compliments that.

http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/wol ... avid-kahn/

[Malapropism]

Oh I forgot this a Flynn thread.... Flynn would bring leadership to the blazers. Bayless has great physical tools but he is not a vocal leader.

That would make sense if Portland actually needed leadership, but they don't. Roy is their leader.

I know what you mean. I hate having too much leadership.

Nice answer.

What I meant is that Portland won't value the leadership aspect of Flynn as much as other teams.