Trade Down?

_tijo_ · Post #16 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:24 pm

no randolph in your tiers fats? I don't know about upgrading love and lopez. If anything, I would put love, lopez, and randolph in a tier 2.5.

ohara · Post #17 » by **ohara** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:34 pm

fatlever wrote:i think my teirs are a little different

1. beasley rose
2. mayo love bayless lopez
3. augustine westbrook gordon anthony gallinari
4. arthur jordan alexander

thats my teirs for the bobcats (my rankings for us within each teir)

as it stands now, we should have our choice of at least 3 players from teirs 2 and/or 3, which puts us in good shape, imo. if a player from teir 2 is available draft them regardess. if they are both in teir 3, pick the best fit for the team, which imo would be augustine or westbrook.

i would be OK with a move back to 14 (the end of teir 4) assuming we received a nice player or pick in return. i would not move back past 14, unless we got a great deal.

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I agree with those rankings, except I would switch Lopez and Gordon. I think Lopez's lack of strong Defense drops him back a tier, and Gordon's great athleticism moves him up to tier 2. Otherwise, I agree with those rankings.

Fatlever, do you think that Miami is serious about Mayo over Beasley? If they did take him #2, what would you try to offer MINN to get Beasley if you could? Since McHale likes Love and he or Randolph may make it it to #9, we might be able to entice them into a deal.

spectre_ · Post #18 » by **spectre_** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:24 pm

My rankings:

1) Beasley/Mayo
2) Rose
3) Everybody else.

Post #19 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:53 pm

_tijo_ wrote:no randolph in your tiers fats? I don't know about upgrading love and lopez. If anything, I would put love, lopez, and randolph in a tier 2.5.

ooops... i put him in by first name - anthony. but yes, he's towards the end of my 3rd teir behind the guards. reason being... i view anthony as a sf and not a pf. i think westbrook and dj provide a need.

Post #20 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:00 pm

[quote="ohara
Fatlever, do you think that Miami is serious about Mayo over Beasley? If they did take him #2, what would you try to offer MINN to get Beasley if you could? Since McHale likes Love and he or Randolph may make it it to #9, we might be able to entice them into a deal.[/quote]

i definitely think its real. and if i was the heat, i would probably select mayo over beasley as well. can you imagine a mayo/wade backcourt? something must be said about mayo's relationship with wade and mayo's maturity level. i think if the heat want mayo though they will have to take him at 2. no way minnesota trades up. they have all the leverage. i think the heat just have to bite the bullet, not get too cute, and take the player they feel is the best fit for their team and if that means gifting beasley to minny at 3... oh well.

knowing all that... i think minny will value the 3rd pick more than they would if they knew beasley was going at 2. i think he would take more than wallace and 9 to get 3. i would turn that down if i was mchale.

Post #21 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:02 pm

Mayo or Beasley would be great picks for the Heat.

Rose would not be IMO.

Post #22 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:07 pm

I agree. If Brewer pans out how they'd like, he probably makes Crash redundant.

I know Minnesota would like Okafor to pair with Jefferson, but we couldn't trade him until after the draft. On our end, trading away Emeka in order to get Beasley fills our need for post scoring, but then we have to find an elite post defensive big. I don't think they'd covet Richardson since they're in a youth movement, so pretty much the only player that would be worth moving is Wallace. The part I didn't mention was that since Minnesota is over the cap, salaries would have to match so we'd be taking someone like Fatoine off of their hands in the exchange...

doc.end · Post #23 » by **doc.end** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:14 pm

IF we lose Okafor somehow i think Nazr is a solid starter. Don't forget he already played under Larry.

waverider · Post #24 » by **waverider** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:34 am

POR fan here, we've dscussed this in the past. But I would think Pritchard would be willing to trade the #13, Fyre or Jack, and perhaps a 2nd rdr for the 9 and filler.

spectre_ · Post #25 » by **spectre_** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:17 am

waverider wrote:POR fan here, we've dscussed this in the past. But I would think Pritchard would be willing to trade the #13, Fyre or Jack, and perhaps a 2nd rdr for the 9 and filler.

And I still think that's a deal we should strongly consider. It gives us good depth at the positions we need it most. In the original I think it was Frye/Jack/13th for 9th/Ammo. If the filler is Harrington I'd settle for just Frye, but if it's Ammo I'd want 'em both.

waverider · Post #26 » by **waverider** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:42 pm

spectre_ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And I still think that's a deal we should strongly consider. It gives us good depth at the positions we need it most. In the original I think it was Frye/Jack/13th for 9th/Ammo. If the filler is Harrington I'd settle for just Frye, but if it's Ammo I'd want 'em both.

Understood about Jack and Ammo, I think the basis for a fair trade is there, I'm not sure the Blazers would want Ammo.

doc.end · Post #27 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:12 pm

It is definitenaly a fair offer, It depends on who we are really eyeing in this draft. Maybe we could even continue with another trade - trading our 2 second rounds (one from this trade) to get late first round to get a specific player (draft day trade).

Post #28 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:55 pm

perfect storm

we trade 9 and harrington for 13 and frye, then either westbrook or dj falls to 13.... although the blazer fans seem to think westbrook is their man... stranger things have happened. we get a player at 13 that we might have taken at 9 and we pick up frye in the process.

Post #29 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:07 pm

I think there's no way DJ/Westbrook is there at 13, this is precisely why Portland wants to trade. Since that's the case I think I'd prefer Jack or Blake over Frye and then at 13 we take Speights, Arthur or Alexander

waverider · Post #30 » by **waverider** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:10 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:I think there's no way DJ/Westbrook is there at 13, this is precisely why Portland wants to trade. Since that's the case I think I'd prefer Jack or Blake over Frye and then at 13 we take Speights, Arthur or Alexander

Either one I think would work fine with POR, you can jack or Frye with the #13.

Post #31 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:11 pm

I think I like Frye more, is the problem.

Post #32 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:16 pm

and i certainly like westbrook or dj more than jack... hence it being the "perfect storm"... being highly unlikely and all.

i'm not sure i'd do the deal for jack and 13

Post #33 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:20 pm

I know what you mean. Just pointing out that it's super unlikely that the Kings and Pacers pass on a pg so we have to be prepared for signing a backup pg in free agency and just taking bpa at 13.

Post #34 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:35 pm

yeah............. i know

Post #35 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:10 pm

fatlever wrote:and i certainly like westbrook or dj more than jack... hence it being the "perfect storm"... being highly unlikely and all.

i'm not sure i'd do the deal for jack and 13

Wouldn't Jack address our back up PG problem though? Then at #13 we take the best PF on the board?