ugkfan2681 wrote:i usually bash kobe but this thread is stupid give the man his due.
Why's it stupid? I think saying congratulations you deserve your championship is giving him his due, no?
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ugkfan2681 wrote:i usually bash kobe but this thread is stupid give the man his due.
Kobay wrote:Its funny tho, every single player who came and left kobe's team had significantly better % with. Of course some of them are out of the NBA and can't even sniff much time. I wonder how good kobe's team could have been if they could play defense like Iverson's 76ers , LeBron's cavs etc.
kflo wrote:kobe has not been inefficient for most of his career.
and he is obviously truly great.
Patterns wrote:Malinhion wrote:Solid article. Obviously the guy doesn't like Kobe, but the stats don't lie.At 19 Kobe told t-mac that he was already better then Jordan, he was going to crush him.
What a load of crap and he has bad grammar too.
Malinhion wrote:Also he was wrong about the Hea't run with rookie Wade. They beat the Hornets in the first round, then lost to the league-leading Pacers in the second round, who lost to the Pistons in the conference finals, who won the title over the Lakers.
Speedlot wrote:" The Laker's were 33-3 this year when Kobe shot less than 20 shots. Its obvious he kills ball movement when he ball hogs and kills everyone else's rhythm as well.
Malinhion wrote:It said they went to the conference finals when he was a rookie.
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microfib4thewin wrote:There are some truths to his conclusion, but there are also times that Kobe shot a lot during a Laker loss because no one aside from him could create. It certainly does not change the fact that he has been inefficient for most of his career, though there are games where the team offense fails and Kobe had to take over.
What is highly questionable is the following. He directed every loss at Kobe for shooting, well, Wade scored 55 on the Magic and lost by 20, should I say then if Wade let his teammates scored more they would have won? Kobe didn't have Wade's efficiency, but that doesn't take away that it could be a misguided conclusion, maybe they would have lost anyways if Kobe shared the ball. Who knows? Even on those 'quality wins' he has to cite reasons other than Kobe for the cause of winning. The author credits the Lakers win on the other team shooting badly, then conveniently ignore the non-existent D against the Bobcats and the Grizzles(38 FTA for both teams).
Then you get to the part where he says Kobe had help and he has the guts to include Cook and Smush. He concluded that they didn't work out in LA was all because Kobe couldn't develop young talents. First, MJ may have done something to make Pippen to become the player that everyone will remember him by, but he must have the will to work for it, and to put everything on MJ for Scottie's accomplishments is utterly foolish. Cook and Smush have never been players that follow coach's orders well, and their work ethic are pretty bad for pro players. Was Kobe also responsible for Smush hitting a valet? Was Kobe responsible for an out of shape Cook buried on a very shallow Orlando bench? They're adults, not babies. If they can't find playing time elsewhere then that means they didn't work hard enough. There is only so much a star player can do, everything else is up to the role player if he wants to step up.
That second to the last paragraph also deserves a laugh, he mentioned guys like Kareem, Magic, West, MJ, and Lebron on how they always make the talent around them better and was never held back by them. This was written after Mo Williams finished the Magic series with 37% shooting and neither Big Ben or Z played any form of defense against Dwight and Rashard. To me, this sounds like someone who doesn't like Kobe and try to disguise it with an objective approach. Kobe should certainly have a better assist conversion rate if he is truly great, but there are so many sections of the article that are either questionable or downright false it's not worth reading unless you need to feed your hatred for Kobe.
Baller 24 wrote:Solid article, now before I do anything:
Bookmarked, indiefan, if you find anymore relevant to this player, you post them.
Thanks
indiefan23 wrote:Nice! I'm glad we agree on something frosty, even if we don't agree on old schoolers. ;0 but to be honest, I appreciate your input on the era debate. Thats the kind of stuff I come to places like this for.
indiefan23 wrote:kflo wrote:kobe has not been inefficient for most of his career.
and he is obviously truly great.
Most of his career without Shaq he was. I think he can't claim all-timey greatness because he spent his prime killing his teams and being served crushing defeats. Greats carry their teams and make them overachive and Kobe has never done that.
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Stat is inaccurate because it doesn't take into account ball movement, and FG attempts based on score. Nor does it actually have any correlation to winning or player production.